NZ Politics, the Luxon Era

Roger Ramjets said:
Well I guess you got what you hoped for... how'd that work out?
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Exactly as expected.

While I despise Luxon, there's no doubt Labour had failed miserably in so many areas it makes me sick that I campaigned and voted for them.

From immigration, to housing to infrastructure to employment laws, Labour screwed up at every opportunity. We are still spending $1,000,000 a day on emergency housing by placing families in squalid motels and that has to stop.

National will actually fix some of the problems - they've already turfed out the insane trial period law that saw large employers unable to use it. They're cutting red tape and inviting foreign investors to build for rent.

My last hope is that Labour have a complete clean out, re-build by returning to their roots, move away from the insanity of trying to take up every liberal cause, and become government again in 2029. I don't think there's a hope in hell they'll do it by '26.
 
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We will tackle unacceptable levels of inequality and environmental damage through reorienting taxation, regulating markets, bolstering environmental protection, investing in people and innovation, and strengthening education. We will ensure that a Green economy supports all New Zealanders, promotes gender and pay equity, recognises and values unpaid work, and provides a just distribution of our nation's wealth.
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That isn't even Socialism, never mind Communism.

Egalitarianism?

Wellfarism?
 
The cunning part scottish man is promising to roll back
racism.

Indoctrination of children into the diabollical cult of sterilisation and mutilation.

Damn this New Zealander.
This man who has worked tirelessly for the common head screwed onner.

The cult of maori blood line is a mindless friction that rewards a racist elite that have honed to a fine art the theft of money from the useful idiots.
My education curriculum so ridiculed by TA will fix everything.
 
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Samson said:
The source came by Google search. I consider I am a rational despiser of Islam. The children are fed falsehoods immediately they absorb language. Sarah Haider, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Nuriya Khan and a host of others say Islam is one shocker of a cult. Check their work, don't worry about the ramblings of the homeless. Islam is of immense political significance everywhere, and Ardern politicized it here with her disgraceful donning of the oppressive and patriarchal hijab. Luxon has doubled down by celebrating Ramadan. Imagine my cult of atheism, non medication and rational thought being paid homage by the Taliban.
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Newsflash, you're not.

You again ignored my actual point and instead went on a rant about nothing. Wearing a hijab to show respect is not a terrible thing. Islam is not a monolithic entity. Christianity is just as bad (in that there are some large sections of Christianity that do bad things, again not a monolithic entity) and just as focused on indoctrination of children but you only rail against Islam. Why is that?

You are singularly failing to deal with my arguments, instead you're just falling back on making your own poorly thought out and ham-fisted arguments instead. Repeating yourself louder and less coherently doesn't answer me.

You said I showed promise? You don't. I have no confidence you even can improve your argumentation, let alone that you will.
 
Samson said:
Why?
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Teaching physics to 3 year olds. I take it your wife brought up your kids, because you clearly have zero knowledhe of young kids.

Samson said:
The cunning part scottish man is promising to roll back
racism.
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Which is hilarious - Winston is the worst racist in the entire country. At least he hates all other races equally.

He is the embodiment of what Muhammad Ali called the worst kind of race traitor - someone who hates the race he's actually part of.

Samson said:
Indoctrination of children into the diabollical cult of sterilisation and mutilation.
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You should both join up with my boy Bish - Brian Tamaki. He hates trans too.

I feel very sorry for your brother.

Samson said:
Damn this New Zealander.
This man who has worked tirelessly for the common head screwed onner.
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:dl:

Absolute gold! Winston has never given a flying **** about any person other than Winston Peters. He's a spiteful, disgusting old racist prick.

He's never done a day's work in his entire life.

Samson said:
My education curriculum so ridiculed by TA will fix everything.
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Thanks christ even Winston isn't crazy enough to buy that crap.
 
The Atheist said:
Exactly as expected....

National will actually fix some of the problems - they've already turfed out the insane trial period law that saw large employers unable to use it. They're cutting red tape and inviting foreign investors to build for rent.
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Those issues could have been addressed without handing over power to right-wing libertarians who will do more harm than good.

My last hope is that Labour have a complete clean out, re-build by returning to their roots, move away from the insanity of trying to take up every liberal cause, and become government again in 2029. I don't think there's a hope in hell they'll do it by '26.
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This is the same idea that many people in the US had when they voted for Trump. How'd that work out?

But the truth is it was going to happen anyway. The news media was rooting for National because they had run out of things to get us riled up about and needed a new bogyman. So far it's working out pretty well for them. Well OK, not all of them...

Newshub closure: NZ’s ‘media apocalypse’ and the public relations democracy of distrust
Democracy is the loser whenever a major media company disappears. We’ve seen a total consensus about this in the past two days – politicians, academics, and journalists have commented on the demise of Newshub, pointing out that a reduction in journalists reporting on and investigating current affairs and politics does not serve the democratic goal of an informed public...

While democracy is the loser, there’s also a likely big winner from the demise of Newshub: the powerful in society, who can operate with less accountability and scrutiny. Individual politicians, decision-makers, officials, businesses – and vested interests in general – are all advantaged by any decline in the ability of journalists to “speak truth to power”. Newshub’s death will mean there will be fewer voices questioning authority and the status quo...

TVNZ is also in a very difficult financial situation. Today the broadcaster reported its latest big loss – see 1News’ TVNZ announces half-year loss as media companies struggle

There’s been plenty of speculation about other media outlets being in financial trouble, or about to make some controversial restructuring.
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But don't worry, the government is here to help.
In this, former Newshub CEO, Brent Impey cautions on putting more state money into this system: “Does the taxpayer want to put money into journalism? If they do, what are the expectations? Because if you get public money it’s absolutely critical the editors have editorial independence and are not seen as toeing the Government’s line… I think the public quite rightly would question whether there were any strings to the funding.”

Regardless, the parties in power at the moment have come to see the current media as being overwhelmingly biased against their new government, and in favour of the opposition parties. This might mean the new Government is rather disinclined to give the media even more money.

Media bias has become a huge issue. For some useful public polling on the question, in December David Farrar surveyed the public via this Curia market research company, asking the question: “Do you think the New Zealand media overall are biased towards the right, biased towards the left or not biased?” – see: NZ media bias (paywalled)

The overall results were interesting: 37 per cent said the media was “Biased towards left” and 12 per cent said the media was “Biased towards right”, 31 per cent said there was no bias, and 12 per cent weren’t sure. But perhaps more interesting, is to look at the political party preferences of respondents who didn’t believe there was any bias – only 18 per cent of National voters thought there was no bias in the media. Similarly, it was 20 per cent for Act voters. However, nearly half of all Labour and Green voters didn’t think media bias existed (49 per cent and 46 per cent, respectively).
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Once the right wing eliminates this 'media bias' they will be set to reign for decades to come.
 
arthwollipot said:
That would be a great curriculum for Vulcans.
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Initial conditions from where education can advance. I know scientifically illiterate people, there is no excuse.
Look at everything in view, you see only science.
Why not start with the big bang for 3 year olds?
Let's start at the very beginning a very good place to start.
New Zealand politicians have just declared they will teach reading and writing. Chris Hipkins and Jan Tinetti as removed ministers of education have been steering the total destruction of a child's right to an education.
 
Samson said:
Initial conditions from where education can advance. I know scientifically illiterate people, there is no excuse.
Look at everything in view, you see only science.
Why not start with the big bang for 3 year olds?
Let's start at the very beginning a very good place to start.
New Zealand politicians have just declared they will teach reading and writing. Chris Hipkins and Jan Tinetti as removed ministers of education have been steering the total destruction of a child's right to an education.
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Tell me you have no knowledge of children's education without telling me.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Those issues could have been addressed without handing over power to right-wing libertarians who will do more harm than good.
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On the record of their actions in 6 years as government, I have no doubt Labour would do far more damage than National in the next 6 years.

Roger Ramjets said:
This is the same idea that many people in the US had when they voted for Trump. How'd that work out?
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Poison the well much?

Luxon is a tool, but he's no Trump and no matter which way you spin it, National isn't the Republicans. Do you not accept Labour is to blame for the myriad of problems we're facing?

Immigration was a deliberate policy and 100% Labour's making; they had 6 years to do something, anything, about emergency housing, and did absolutely nothing; child poverty remained at the same levels as when Cindy took office.

Roger Ramjets said:
But the truth is it was going to happen anyway. The news media was rooting for National because they had run out of things to get us riled up about and needed a new bogyman.
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Utter bollocks. Labour got off lightly given the amount of **** they caused.

Roger Ramjets said:
But don't worry, the government is here to help.
Once the right wing eliminates this 'media bias' they will be set to reign for decades to come.
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Total fantasy. National is already staring down a serious fiscal shortfall, Luxon spends most of his time mopping up pools of vomit Peters leaves lying on the floor, and he's managed to alienate the entire police force.

If things continue their present trajectory, David Seymour will be the next PM, and then you'll really have something to cry about.
 
As I suspected would happen,

Government agrees to slash road user charges for plug-in hybrids
Owners of plug-in hybrids like the popular Outlander plug-in will pay less in road user charges after a change of heart by the government.

Transport Minister Simeon Brown on Tuesday announced owners of plug-in hybrids would pay $38 per 1000km driven under the taxes to pay for road upkeep...

Owners of plug-in hybrids had argued they would end up paying more than others because they used both electric batteries and petrol, which particularly affected older vehicles with less battery power.

Brown originally proposed a rate of $53 per 1000km - a 30 percent discount on what a diesel vehicle would pay - but Labour and the Greens proposed lowering the fee to $38 after the feedback at the select committee.
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So that means plug-in hybrid owners could potentially be paying half as much in road user charges as fully electric car owners.

This reduction should breathe some life back into the PHEV market - which is something I guess. Mitsubishi (who make the Outlander) and Toyota should be happier now.

As for full EVs, even with RUC at NZ$0.76 / km the running cost of my Leaf is only ~50% of my previous (slightly smaller) gas car.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
As I suspected would happen,

Government agrees to slash road user charges for plug-in hybrids

So that means plug-in hybrid owners could potentially be paying half as much in road user charges as fully electric car owners.

This reduction should breathe some life back into the PHEV market - which is something I guess. Mitsubishi (who make the Outlander) and Toyota should be happier now.

As for full EVs, even with RUC at NZ$0.76 / km the running cost of my Leaf is only ~50% of my previous (slightly smaller) gas car.
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Hmm...

They must have better registration systems than here in South Australia.

My car is registered as a two litre, 4 cylinder, petrol car.

The words 'hybrid' or 'ev' appear nowhere in the registration system in connection with my car.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Tell me you have no knowledge of children's education without telling me.
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I remember my first day at school. I was 4 and a half my older brother took me in to primmers. We started with phonics, and we could read straight away.
We never wanted our testicles removed, it never crossed our minds.
 
Samson said:
I remember my first day at school. I was 4 and a half my older brother took me in to primmers. We started with phonics, and we could read straight away.
We never wanted our testicles removed, it never crossed our minds.
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Then you aren't trans.

Of course no-one is castrating children. Your sources lied to you.

ETA: You didn't even remotely address any of my points I've made just brought up your nutty hobby horse again.
 
novaphile said:
Hmm...

Every Green I've known, including myself, is concerned about how their own actions impact the world. I haven't seen any evidence of a desire to control people outside of the "You must respect my autoriteh!" right-wingers.

Perhaps Samson is confusing Greens with Fascists?
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I make no comments about the greens, but I can give you plenty of examples of autocratic Left wing regmes. Remember Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc?
 
arthwollipot said:
That would be a great curriculum for Vulcans.
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But Human beings are not Vulcans.............
I am all in favor of teaching math and science but Samson's agenda reminds me too much of Mr. Gradgrind's in Dickens "Hard Times".
Let;s balance it with some art and Literature ,Please.
I also note is total omission of History...huge mistake.
 
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