Racist Countryside Art

[Darat]

Man walks into museum, sees pretty painting of rolling hills in northern England, gets overwhelmed with nationalist extremism and decides to plow his truck into a Pakistani restaurant full of customers, killing 7 and injuring 15.

Clearly the art is at fault!!!!!

So not the Constables then?

 

[Darat]

Where's the evidence behind this wild and baseless claim that paintings of rolling hills stirs feelings of nationalism?

Before this thread was posted, I never heard of such a thing.

I've already said it does in me, at least a couple of times.

 

[Hercules56]

I've already said it does in me, at least a couple of times.

Well, that's a problem. I don't see how this is a problem for anyone else, there clearly is no evidence of it. I have NEVER heard of such a thing before.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I read that Constable's landscapes were more popular in France than at home. I wonder if it had the side effect of making French people hate themselves for not being British. Or rather, no, I don't wonder that.

Sometimes a beautiful view is just a beautiful view, whether painted or photographed or indeed seen in real life. Fretting that seeing it might make you hold in contempt everyone who doesn't live there feels like a bit too much of a stretch for me.

So Constable was painting after the slave trade was abolished in British territories but before slavery itself was abolished. Is the artist's view on abolitionism known? Is it irrelevant because you simply can't have nice things while bad things are happening somewhere else, no matter what your views on the bad things are?

At what point did it/will it become OK to have nice paintings of some countryside?

 

[Hercules56]

I read that Constable's landscapes were more popular in France than at home. I wonder if it had the side effect of making French people hate themselves for not being British. Or rather, no, I don't wonder that.

Sometimes a beautiful view is just a beautiful view, whether painted or photographed or indeed seen in real life. Fretting that seeing it might make you hold in contempt everyone who doesn't live there feels like a bit too much of a stretch for me.

So Constable was painting after the slave trade was abolished in British territories but before slavery itself was abolished. Is the artist's view on abolitionism known? Is it irrelevant because you simply can't have nice things while bad things are happening somewhere else, no matter what your views on the bad things are?

At what point did it/will it become OK to have nice paintings of some countryside?

Never.

Unless non-Europeans do it.

 

[arthwollipot]

Are you trying to say you think Britain was the only state involved with slaves?

What do you think?

Hint: if what you think someone is saying is breathtakingly stupid, maybe they're not saying what you think they're saying, or maybe they're Trump.

 

[Hercules56]

The premise of the OP is absurd. Pretty landscape art does not inspire or motivate rational and sane people to be overwhelmed with nationalist and racist feelings, leading to hate crimes.

The author of such ideas needs to get a grip and see a shrink.

 

[dudalb]

One reason I hate the misuse of the word "Woke" by the right is that it makes it harder to call out the stupidity that does exist on the left.

 

[dudalb]

There is no "darker side" to "nationalist feeling"s?

There is a dark side to everything.

 

[dudalb]

Some people will defend any stupidty if it comes from the wing of politics they support.

 

[Lplus]

What do you think?

Hint: if what you think someone is saying is breathtakingly stupid, maybe they're not saying what you think they're saying, or maybe they're Trump.

So why ask what appears to be a stupid question? to which the answer in the context of the post you quoted was clearly "All of them"?

ETA meh, who cares - this thread was never about slavery, it's about the radicalising effects of British Landscape Art...

 

[Darat]

Well, that's a problem. I don't see how this is a problem for anyone else, there clearly is no evidence of it. I have NEVER heard of such a thing before.

What's a problem - that I can be inspired to have pride in my country? Why is that a problem?

 

[Darat]

I read that Constable's landscapes were more popular in France than at home. I wonder if it had the side effect of making French people hate themselves for not being British. Or rather, no, I don't wonder that.

Sometimes a beautiful view is just a beautiful view, whether painted or photographed or indeed seen in real life. Fretting that seeing it might make you hold in contempt everyone who doesn't live there feels like a bit too much of a stretch for me.

So Constable was painting after the slave trade was abolished in British territories but before slavery itself was abolished. Is the artist's view on abolitionism known? Is it irrelevant because you simply can't have nice things while bad things are happening somewhere else, no matter what your views on the bad things are?

At what point did it/will it become OK to have nice paintings of some countryside?

It's absolutely fine today:

 

[Darat]

The premise of the OP is absurd. Pretty landscape art does not inspire or motivate rational and sane people to be overwhelmed with nationalist and racist feelings, leading to hate crimes.

The author of such ideas needs to get a grip and see a shrink.

Who has said it does?

 

[Darat]

One reason I hate the misuse of the word "Woke" by the right is that it makes it harder to call out the stupidity that does exist on the left.

The Fitzwilliam is "left" that's a

 

[Darat]

There is a dark side to everything.

Then you agree with some of the very edited pairs of words that have quoted. Or are you being sarcastic?

 

[Hercules56]

Who has said it does?

"visitors are informed that “there is a darker side” to the “nationalist feeling” evoked by images of the British countryside."

"his national sentiment comes with “the implication that only those with a historical tie to the land have a right to belong”.

 

[Hercules56]

What's a problem - that I can be inspired to have pride in my country? Why is that a problem?

According to the OP, its evil.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It's absolutely fine today:

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Very good.

Okay, but do you suppose I'm missing similarly heavy symbolism in The Hay Wain to that of a field of red poppies? I doubt that I am.

To say a beautiful landscape painting if you happen to know it's your own country may provoke dark nationalistic emotions just seems to me to be a hefty stretch to find a hot take.

 

[Lplus]

Very good.

Okay, but do you suppose I'm missing similarly heavy symbolism in The Hay Wain to that of a field of red poppies? I doubt that I am.

And even a field of red poppies can be just a field of red poppies

To say a beautiful landscape painting if you happen to know it's your own country may provoke dark nationalistic emotions just seems to me to be a hefty stretch to find a hot take.

That's the whole point of the OP - the Fitzwilliam is reported to have expressed that view. Is it defensible or is it just a desparate attempt to be progressive.