Racist Countryside Art

It isn't the article in question but the subject is the same.



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Confused, that article seems to be a commentary piece that uses the Telegraph article for its source, in other words it's about the story the Telegraph ran, not the museum itself nor what the museum has said. It's a third hand article.
 
Confused, that article seems to be a commentary piece that uses the Telegraph article for its source, in other words it's about the story the Telegraph ran, not the museum itself nor what the museum has said. It's a third hand article.

Ok, as you were then, though this link was posted above which is an archive of the original Telegraph article.

https://archive.is/rI8IG
 
Ok, as you were then, though this link was posted above which is an archive of the original Telegraph article.

https://archive.is/rI8IG

Yeah Stout posted that earlier and whilst it gives some longer quotes it is still a commentary piece about an interview done by a different newspaper. There is no evidence that the author did any more research than read that interview. Doesn't seem to have gone to primary sources at all, doesn't seem to have visited the museum, sought any further information from the museum and so on. In other words it's really the media reporting on the media reporting something, sadly a favourite topic of much of modern journalism, especially when it can be used to support the media in question's editorial stances.
 
Confused, that article seems to be a commentary piece that uses the Telegraph article for its source, in other words it's about the story the Telegraph ran, not the museum itself nor what the museum has said. It's a third hand article.

Yes, it is and does. I posted that link questioning whether it was the "grumpy reactionary article" being referenced in post 145.
 
Yeah Stout posted that earlier and whilst it gives some longer quotes it is still a commentary piece about an interview done by a different newspaper. There is no evidence that the author did any more research than read that interview. Doesn't seem to have gone to primary sources at all, doesn't seem to have visited the museum, sought any further information from the museum and so on. In other words it's really the media reporting on the media reporting something, sadly a favourite topic of much of modern journalism, especially when it can be used to support the media in question's editorial stances.

I prefer to form my opinions on articles written about twitter threads in reaction to articles written about interviews edited for articles.
 
Yeah Stout posted that earlier and whilst it gives some longer quotes it is still a commentary piece about an interview done by a different newspaper. There is no evidence that the author did any more research than read that interview. Doesn't seem to have gone to primary sources at all, doesn't seem to have visited the museum, sought any further information from the museum and so on. In other words it's really the media reporting on the media reporting something, sadly a favourite topic of much of modern journalism, especially when it can be used to support the media in question's editorial stances.

Which other newspaper? I don't see any mention of another newspaper except the words "Mr Syson previously told the Guardian" close to the end, which suggests to me that particular part was a quote from the Guardian.

Was the newspaper the Guardian? Do you believe the Guardian?
 
Which other newspaper? I don't see any mention of another newspaper except the words "Mr Syson previously told the Guardian" close to the end, which suggests to me that particular part was a quote from the Guardian.

Was the newspaper the Guardian? Do you believe the Guardian?

The Telegraph article in the opening post is about an interview that appeared in The Observer.
 
The Telegraph article in the opening post is about an interview that appeared in The Observer.

The archived article makes no mention of the Weekend Guardian Observer. How odd.

Still, is the Observer less honest than the Guardian?
 
The archived article makes no mention of the Weekend Guardian Observer. How odd.

Still, is the Observer less honest than the Guardian?

No, there's no mention of the Observer in the archived article but...who cares?

There's nothing to be gained from inventing the existence of this sign out of whole cloth and. given the robust questioning-denial of the sign's presence, I highly suspect a lot of people actually like it.
 
No, there's no mention of the Observer in the archived article but...who cares?

There's nothing to be gained from inventing the existence of this sign out of whole cloth and. given the robust questioning-denial of the sign's presence, I highly suspect a lot of people actually like it.

I suspect you are correct. They may not actually feel that a picture of Hampstead Heath would engender racism, but they'd like to make out it did as part of the whole "Everything Britain did, and stands for, should be abolished"
 
The archived article makes no mention of the Weekend Guardian Observer. How odd.

Still, is the Observer less honest than the Guardian?

No, there's no mention of the Observer in the archived article but...who cares?

There's nothing to be gained from inventing the existence of this sign out of whole cloth and. given the robust questioning-denial of the sign's presence, I highly suspect a lot of people actually like it.

I suspect you are correct. They may not actually feel that a picture of Hampstead Heath would engender racism, but they'd like to make out it did as part of the whole "Everything Britain did, and stands for, should be abolished"

I went to search where the quotes came from - they come from an Observer/Guardian piece dated 10/3. The Telegraph article is mainly as I said about that Observer article, the media reporting on the media reporting on something.
 
I went to search where the quotes came from - they come from an Observer/Guardian piece dated 10/3. The Telegraph article is mainly as I said about that Observer article, the media reporting on the media reporting on something.

Well done, but the question still stands, is the reporting correct?
 
I went to search where the quotes came from - they come from an Observer/Guardian piece dated 10/3. The Telegraph article is mainly as I said about that Observer article, the media reporting on the media reporting on something.

OK, so they are "retweeting" a story which may be of interest to their readers. I don't think that kind of "media reporting on the media" is problematic; the story itself hilites the abstract point, which many would find engaging.

Reading the museum's explanation, it doesn't say the "dark side" of countryside nationalism is about race, really. It sounds a little like that pride in cultural roots, like an aristocratic pride in having been around for centuries, ties to the land and all that. While being white kind of follows from that, maybe it's not the actual motivation, maybe more anti newcomer?

They do go on to cite that anything old has complex ties to slavery and sexism and other isms. Well, yeah, anything old will. It still seems to me that a beautiful countryside can be standalone admirable without a guilt inducing prodding. As I said earlier, I'm not clear on why the museum thinks they go hand-in-hand to the point where it should be pointed out on a placard.
 
OK, so they are "retweeting" a story which may be of interest to their readers. I don't think that kind of "media reporting on the media" is problematic; the story itself hilites the abstract point, which many would find engaging.

Reading the museum's explanation, it doesn't say the "dark side" of countryside nationalism is about race, really. It sounds a little like that pride in cultural roots, like an aristocratic pride in having been around for centuries, ties to the land and all that. While being white kind of follows from that, maybe it's not the actual motivation, maybe more anti newcomer?

They do go on to cite that anything old has complex ties to slavery and sexism and other isms. Well, yeah, anything old will. It still seems to me that a beautiful countryside can be standalone admirable without a guilt inducing prodding. As I said earlier, I'm not clear on why the museum thinks they go hand-in-hand to the point where it should be pointed out on a placard.

Because the progressive mantra in the UK, particularly within the academic establishment, is to apologise for everything the UK ever did or stands for.
 

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