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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
What we also know for sure is that Pornhub removed 80% of their content following the Kristof article back in 2020. That does not make them guilty now.

Young and Cochran's involvement with PV is awkward, but I am not aware of anything that directly implicates them. It's possible, for sure.

Is anyone not tainted by their past?
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personally i wouldn't call it awkward but disqualifying, and working for them at all is a direct implication as it's was the intent and purpose of the organization. since this doesn't seem a whole lot different to what they've been doing, i think it's unwise for me to discard any skepticism of their project. maybe somebody with some credibility will independently verify some of it.
 
dirtywick said:
personally i wouldn't call it awkward but disqualifying, and working for them at all is a direct implication as it's was the intent and purpose of the organization. since this doesn't seem a whole lot different to what they've been doing, i think it's unwise for me to discard any skepticism of their project. maybe somebody with some credibility will independently verify some of it.
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Of course we need to retain some healthy skepticism - but your stance would implicate Pornhub to a much greater degree for their ACTUAL criminal content. If we shut down Sound Investigations then we shut down Pornhub.
 
Poem said:
Of course we need to retain some healthy skepticism - but your stance would implicate Pornhub to a much greater degree for their ACTUAL criminal content. If we shut down Sound Investigations then we shut down Pornhub.
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my stance is that you shouldn't believe what you see in an undercover investigation conducted by people with a long history of faking undercover investigations without independent verification from a trusted source, and i'm not suggesting to shut down anything.
 
dirtywick said:
my stance is that you shouldn't believe what you see in an undercover investigation conducted by people with a long history of faking undercover investigations without independent verification from a trusted source, and i'm not suggesting to shut down anything.
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Why did 26 Attorneys General ignore such advice?
 
Venom said:
The actual subject of the thread is not what I expected given the title.
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The nearest thing to a "rape culture" that I can think of would be the 19th. century Sioux. If an unmarried girl wandered alone only a short distance outside of camp, she was deemed "not where she was supposed to be" by any gang of boys and young men* who found her. They were then free to gang rape her, and would, and did.

Was this true of all Dakhota/Lakhota/Nakhota tribes or bands? I don't know. Is it their practice still? Again, I don't know -- but the life situation for young women on Plains reservations isn't a healthy or well-protected one.

Is it okay if I suggest that here is a topic more worthy of the OP's concern?


*Those uncontrollable "wild young men" so often blamed by Indigenous leaders for raids and atrocities during the Indian Wars.
 
sackett said:
The nearest thing to a "rape culture" that I can think of would be the 19th. century Sioux. If an unmarried girl wandered alone only a short distance outside of camp, she was deemed "not where she was supposed to be" by any gang of boys and young men* who found her. They were then free to gang rape her, and would, and did.

Was this true of all Dakhota/Lakhota/Nakhota tribes or bands? I don't know. Is it their practice still? Again, I don't know -- but the life situation for young women on Plains reservations isn't a healthy or well-protected one.

Is it okay if I suggest that here is a topic more worthy of the OP's concern?


*Those uncontrollable "wild young men" so often blamed by Indigenous leaders for raids and atrocities during the Indian Wars.
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Have you followed the thread?
 
sackett said:
The nearest thing to a "rape culture" that I can think of would be the 19th. century Sioux. If an unmarried girl wandered alone only a short distance outside of camp, she was deemed "not where she was supposed to be" by any gang of boys and young men* who found her. They were then free to gang rape her, and would, and did.

Was this true of all Dakhota/Lakhota/Nakhota tribes or bands? I don't know. Is it their practice still? Again, I don't know -- but the life situation for young women on Plains reservations isn't a healthy or well-protected one.

Is it okay if I suggest that here is a topic more worthy of the OP's concern?


*Those uncontrollable "wild young men" so often blamed by Indigenous leaders for raids and atrocities during the Indian Wars.
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I'm pretty sure there are similar rape culture societies today. I'm also pretty sure none of them are societies with a laissez-faire approach to commoditized pornography.

I'm also pretty sure there are rape subcultures in the darker corners of most societies that aren't themselves rape cultures. And I'm pretty sure that access to, and consumption of, commoditized pornography, plays a part in the social conventions and rape rituals of those subcultures. But I don't think it follows from this that digital porn distributors are converting entire societies to rape culture. Just like I don't believe that the burgeoning prank culture we see on social media means that our entire society has become a prank culture.
 
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sackett said:
The nearest thing to a "rape culture" that I can think of would be the 19th. century Sioux. If an unmarried girl wandered alone only a short distance outside of camp, she was deemed "not where she was supposed to be" by any gang of boys and young men* who found her. They were then free to gang rape her, and would, and did.

Was this true of all Dakhota/Lakhota/Nakhota tribes or bands? I don't know. Is it their practice still? Again, I don't know -- but the life situation for young women on Plains reservations isn't a healthy or well-protected one.

Is it okay if I suggest that here is a topic more worthy of the OP's concern?


*Those uncontrollable "wild young men" so often blamed by Indigenous leaders for raids and atrocities during the Indian Wars.
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Most societies, in history, have had both some form of rape culture (whether in the guise of free rein to abuse tribal outsiders or underclasses, slavery, forced marriage, religious obligations, peer pressure in a permissive society, etc.) and have also had some form of getting-rid-of-excess-young-males culture (also in many different guises). In your example they go hand in hand, as life in gangs of wild young men is dangerous and often short.
 
theprestige said:
I'm pretty sure there are similar rape cultures today. I'm also pretty sure none of them are cultures with a laissez-faire approach to commoditized pornography.

I'm also pretty sure there are rape subcultures in the darker corners of most societies that aren't themselves rape cultures. And I'm pretty sure that access to, and consumption of, commoditized pornography, plays a part in the social conventions and rape rituals of those subcultures. But I don't think it follows from this that digital porn distributors are converting entire societies to rape culture. Just like I don't believe that the burgeoning prank culture we see on social media means that our entire society has become a prank culture.
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I can see that you may have a point - however, Pornhub has, as I have already posted, 180 million unique visitors per day (source: Mike Farley of Pornhub). If we assume that Sound Investigations exposé is correct, then that's 1 in 44 of the worlds population possibly fuelling rapists and traffickers on that sight alone.

According to Farley, these rapists and traffickers make a lot of money from their videos. So does Pornhub.
 
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Poem said:
Either way, you clearly aren't in a position to suggest what you did.
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Ooo! Ooo! I'm not in position! We'll, since this is your thread, you're in position to

BLOCK ME!

See that box down there? Hit that as soon as you read this -- no, before you even read it! -- and you'll condemn me to outer otherness. Do it in sorrow, not anger. It'll feel really good.

Then you can proceed on to tell everybody all the stuff you'd like to do to Pornhub.
 
Poem said:
I can see that you may have a point - however, Pornhub has, as I have already posted, 180 million unique visitors per day (source: Mike Farley of Pornhub). If we assume that Sound Investigations exposé is correct, then that's 1 in 44 of the worlds population possibly fuelling rapists and traffickers on that sight alone.

According to Farley, these rapists and traffickers make a lot of money from their videos. So does Pornhub.
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Any evidence that a significant portion of PH's content is of trafficked persons or a recording of an actual rape?

ETA: to be clear. By "actual" I mean not staged with paid performers pretending its rape to assuage a really gross fetish.
 
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lobosrul5 said:
ETA: to be clear. By "actual" I mean not staged with paid performers pretending its rape to assuage a really gross fetish.
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i brought this up early in the thread as a reason why the average user isn't really exposed to it, but while porn sites have all kinds of different content of various levels of depravity, they don't really allow this kind of content even if it is staged. if it's on the sites, it's hidden and not something easily accessible and maybe they're not doing enough to find it or whatever
 
lobosrul5 said:
Any evidence that a significant portion of PH's content is of trafficked persons or a recording of an actual rape?

ETA: to be clear. By "actual" I mean not staged with paid performers pretending its rape to assuage a really gross fetish.
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Mike Farley - Technical Product Manager at Pornhub for 11 years (MF)
Arden Young - undercover journalist (AY)

AY: Who exploits the loophole?
MF: A lot. Like F***ing everybody. You make a lot of money.
AY: Do rapists use it?
MF: Of course, of course

Cued:
https://youtu.be/HzPUra6jqLs?t=16
 
dirtywick said:
i brought this up early in the thread as a reason why the average user isn't really exposed to it, but while porn sites have all kinds of different content of various levels of depravity, they don't really allow this kind of content even if it is staged. if it's on the sites, it's hidden and not something easily accessible and maybe they're not doing enough to find it or whatever
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OK, I was hardly going to go actively searching for it. If there's no rape porn on PH, or any legal porn sites, has is PH contributing to "rape culture" :confused:

Poem's argument seems to be porn is bad because it leads to a culture where rape s acceptable but does nothing to explain how it does so. And of course rape has been around much longer than porn.
 
lobosrul5 said:
OK, I was hardly going to go actively searching for it. If there's no rape porn on PH, or any legal porn sites, has is PH contributing to "rape culture" :confused:

Poem's argument seems to be porn is bad because it leads to a culture where rape s acceptable but does nothing to explain how it does so. And of course rape has been around much longer than porn.
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Have posted quite a bit on that.
 
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