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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

This thread, citing Sound Investigation's work, says otherwise. If you have evidence to the contrary please post it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzAIYI9byKU

I don't think this video says what you think it does, for two reasons.

Firstly, the speaker says this investigation began after the Times article. The timeline is not super clear, because it was sometime after that article was published that Pornhub purged and turned off uploading by unverified users. So some of what that executive is filmed saying could have been filmed before the card processors forced Pornhub to purge the platform, meaning that the policies he's describing might no longer exist or apply.

Secondly, there have been lawsuits by women against Pornhub in only the last couple of years that make disclosures consistent with your video - i.e., the actors were not properly age-verified when the video was made, or they did not consent to the release of the video at all; but in those lawsuits the direct offenders aren't lone unverified users uploading revenge porn and the like, they're named "companies" that produce porn commercially and upload to Pornhub as verified partners.
 
I don't think this video says what you think it does, for two reasons.

Firstly, the speaker says this investigation began after the Times article. The timeline is not super clear, because it was sometime after that article was published that Pornhub purged and turned off uploading by unverified users. So some of what that executive is filmed saying could have been filmed before the card processors forced Pornhub to purge the platform, meaning that the policies he's describing might no longer exist or apply.

The letter that was sent to Pornhub by 26 Attorneys General on September 29th 2023 states:

"We, the Attorneys General of the 26 undersigned states, write to you today to inquire about a possible “loophole” in your platforms’ moderation practices that potentially permits content creators to publish child sexual abuse material (CSAM) on your platforms, and to determine what is being done to address this possible loophole. As state Attorneys General—and parents—we are deeply concerned by recent reports of this possible workaround that could permit countless children to be victimized. " (my emphasis)

It would be quite astonishing if these 26 Attorneys General were wrong about the 'reports' being recent. Arden Young claims the undercover work took place in 2023 between June and August. The letter names Pornhub employee Mike Farley and cites The National Desk (PornHub owners accused of overlooking 'loophole' which allows videos of minors) which names Sound Investigations undercover work.


Secondly, there have been lawsuits by women against Pornhub in only the last couple of years that make disclosures consistent with your video - i.e., the actors were not properly age-verified when the video was made, or they did not consent to the release of the video at all; but in those lawsuits the direct offenders aren't lone unverified users uploading revenge porn and the like, they're named "companies" that produce porn commercially and upload to Pornhub as verified partners.

There are 8 videos available which include:

P*rnhub Ad Network Engineer: “Revenge P*rn: They Didn’t Give a ◊◊◊◊”

Undercover vid: Fmr Aylo compliance employee reveals “so much room for error” in unverified p*rn ads
 
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There are now eight videos so this is a little outdated.

AVN claims:
"This is important for AVN’s analysis because there is still no indication as to the timeline of when and where Farley was video recorded without his knowledge."

As shown in #203, the letter sent to Pornhub states that the reports are 'recent' and the concern expressed by the 26 Attorneys General is a current one.

AVN:
"Though by sheer speculation, our assumption is that Farley’s remarks came before any of the major corporate leadership changes at Aylo/MindGeek. And he’s either simply reiterating claims that he surmised are correct based on tidbits of information he’s gathered during his work at the company, or he’s purposefully misinforming the journalist speaking to him in the video."


Solomon Friedman (Ethical Capital Partners) acquired MindGeek on 17th March 2023; the Farley video is dated July 7th 2023 (Sound Investigations claim). The eight available undercover videos date from June to August 2023 and tell the same story.
 
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Texans can use VPNs, or any of the hundreds of porn sites out there.

This is all part of a larger effort to scrub the internet of porn entirely. The National Center on Sexual exploitation? They're just a rebrand of Morality in Media and they even maintain a naughty list. If these guys get their way, we're going to be back to being titillated by getting a glimpse of her ankle.

The dirty dozen includes Twitter which we know is where underage people usually first see porn; as already discussed, the damaging effect that this is having on young people is incontrovertible.
 
Pornographic content on X/Twitter has proliferated since dramatic cuts to content moderation efforts, the French-speaking Belgian Audiovisual Regulator (CSA) has warned.

Pornhub clearly isn't alone.
No. And if it disappears others will take over, because there's an insatiable demand for porn.

Fun fact - why did VHS win out over Beta?

Videotape format war
Some sources say that VHS won over Betamax due to the greater availability of pornographic movies on the format. In the 1980s, the founder of Vivid Entertainment said "we pushed VHS harder, and in that sense we did have something to do with VHS winning out".

Porn producers and consumers will exploit whatever technology is available. The problem (if you think porn is a problem) isn't the medium, but the users of it.

The History of Pornography No More Prudish Than the Present
Pornography is often portrayed as one of the ills of today's society, evidence of modern moral decay brought to you by video cameras and broadband access.

As it turns out, modern times have got nothing on the past. Pornography existed long before video or even photography, and many researchers think evolution predisposed humans for visual arousal (It's a lot easier to pass on your genes if the sight of other naked humans turns you on, after all). Whichever way you slice it, the diversity of pornographic materials throughout history suggests that human beings have always been interested in images of sex. Lots and lots of sex...

As early as 30,000 years ago, Paleolithic people were carving large-breasted, thick-thighed figurines of pregnant women out of stone and wood... the ancient Greeks and Romans created public sculptures and frescos depicting homosexuality, threesomes, fellatio and cunnilingus. In India during the second century, the Kama Sutra was half sex-manual, half relationship-handbook. The Moche people of ancient Peru painted sexual scenes on ceramic pottery, while the aristocracy in 16th century Japan was fond of erotic woodblock prints.

In the 1800s, the idea of porn for porn's sake began to spread. Erotic novels had been in print since at least the mid-1600s in France (though being identified as the author of one meant a sure trip to jail), but the first full-length English-language pornographic novel, "Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure," also known as "Fanny Hill" (Oxford University Press) wasn't published until 1748.

Technology drove innovation in the porn genre. In 1839, Louis Daguerre invented the daguerreotype, a primitive form of photography. Almost immediately, pornographers commandeered the new technology...

Video followed a similar path. By 1896, filmmakers in France were delving into the erotic with short, silent clips like "Le Coucher de la Marie," in which an actress performed a strip tease. Hard-core sex started showing up after 1900...

Then, in the 1970s, changing social mores opened the door for public showing of explicit films. The Internet and the invention of the digital camera lowered the barriers to porn-making...

A 1994 Carnegie Mellon study of early porn on computer Bulletin Board Systems (a precursor to the World Wide Web), found that 48 percent of downloads were far outside the sexual mainstream, depicting bestiality, incest and pedophilia. Less than 5 percent of downloads depicted vaginal sex. This could have been because magazines and pornographic films had traditional sex covered, and people went to their computers for images they couldn't find elsewhere.

I'm hoping the next technological leap will make porn even more realistic and easier to indulge in. Combining generative AI with robots should completely remove the desire for sex with actual people, crashing the population back to where it's sustainable. Reducing population is ultimately the only way we are going to get out of the mess we are in. The only question is how do we want to do it - with lots and lots of porn, or total economic collapse and mass starvation?
 
No. And if it disappears others will take over, because there's an insatiable demand for porn.

Porn producers and consumers will exploit whatever technology is available. The problem (if you think porn is a problem) isn't the medium, but the users of it.

Pornography is often portrayed as one of the ills of today's society, evidence of modern moral decay brought to you by video cameras and broadband access.

As it turns out, modern times have got nothing on the past. Pornography existed long before video or even photography, and many researchers think evolution predisposed humans for visual arousal (It's a lot easier to pass on your genes if the sight of other naked humans turns you on, after all). Whichever way you slice it, the diversity of pornographic materials throughout history suggests that human beings have always been interested in images of sex. Lots and lots of sex...

As early as 30,000 years ago, Paleolithic people were carving large-breasted, thick-thighed figurines of pregnant women out of stone and wood... the ancient Greeks and Romans created public sculptures and frescos depicting homosexuality, threesomes, fellatio and cunnilingus. In India during the second century, the Kama Sutra was half sex-manual, half relationship-handbook. The Moche people of ancient Peru painted sexual scenes on ceramic pottery, while the aristocracy in 16th century Japan was fond of erotic woodblock prints.

In the 1800s, the idea of porn for porn's sake began to spread. Erotic novels had been in print since at least the mid-1600s in France (though being identified as the author of one meant a sure trip to jail), but the first full-length English-language pornographic novel, "Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure," also known as "Fanny Hill" (Oxford University Press) wasn't published until 1748.

Technology drove innovation in the porn genre. In 1839, Louis Daguerre invented the daguerreotype, a primitive form of photography. Almost immediately, pornographers commandeered the new technology...

Video followed a similar path. By 1896, filmmakers in France were delving into the erotic with short, silent clips like "Le Coucher de la Marie," in which an actress performed a strip tease. Hard-core sex started showing up after 1900...

Then, in the 1970s, changing social mores opened the door for public showing of explicit films. The Internet and the invention of the digital camera lowered the barriers to porn-making...

A 1994 Carnegie Mellon study of early porn on computer Bulletin Board Systems (a precursor to the World Wide Web), found that 48 percent of downloads were far outside the sexual mainstream, depicting bestiality, incest and pedophilia. Less than 5 percent of downloads depicted vaginal sex. This could have been because magazines and pornographic films had traditional sex covered, and people went to their computers for images they couldn't find elsewhere.

I'm hoping the next technological leap will make porn even more realistic and easier to indulge in. Combining generative AI with robots should completely remove the desire for sex with actual people, crashing the population back to where it's sustainable. Reducing population is ultimately the only way we are going to get out of the mess we are in. The only question is how do we want to do it - with lots and lots of porn, or total economic collapse and mass starvation?

There's no question that the desire for sex is very powerful - and naturally so; the issue is where the line is drawn. We both have lines do we not? Where do you draw yours?

To suggest that the porn we have today is in any way comparable with the past is very wrong imo.
 
Source?

Not that i am an apologist for PV but google reveals: "Be Brave And Do Something".


The Guardian, The Telgraph, the Police, Children's charities, the UK Children's Commissioner.......


Harmful? Really? Nicholoas Kristof exposed Pornhub in 2020 so they have form here.

And the 26 attorneys general?

Are the undercover video's from SI a lie? I haven't seen any evidence here or elsewhere suggesting so.

There's a saying around my parts, I'll bowdlerise it for politeness:

Don't pour water on my leg and tell me it's raining.
 
Go to Sound Investigation's website.

Sound Investigations is chock full of project "veritas" alumni, which "exposes" pornhub (and that's it's sole subject) through "interviews" with barely identified and unverifiable "former executives".

If the site is not lying, it's being scammed.
 
it doesn't do much to counter the argument that she shouldn't be taken seriously due to her past behavior and conduct anyway. they took them seriously when the lied and got acorn shut down too, so what?
 
There's a saying around my parts, I'll bowdlerise it for politeness:

Don't pour water on my leg and tell me it's raining.

...but nothing that actually deals with what I wrote.

Sound Investigations is chock full of project "veritas" alumni, which "exposes" pornhub (and that's it's sole subject) through "interviews" with barely identified and unverifiable "former executives".

So having once worked for PV = liars? Is that what the Attorneys General thought?
You haven't substantiated that they are 'barely identifiable' - AFAIK, not even Pornhub is arguing that, but they do dispute when the undercover work took place.

According to AVN:
"There is no indication, however, that the Pornhub Tapes is an initiative affiliated with Project Veritas. There is also no indication at this time that Young, Sound Investigations or Mickelwait are affiliated."

Former executives? One of the 5 is I believe.

If the site is not lying, it's being scammed.

And your evidence is?

Oh, wow, a far right media personality being taken seriously by far right politicians in a video published by a far right political pressure group.

Way to "disprove" my point.

I take it everyone who isn't left is far right?

The evidence that SI have present is obviously credible or else those Attorneys General will look pretty daft. If you have some evidence that says otherwise then please do come back.
 
it doesn't do much to counter the argument that she shouldn't be taken seriously due to her past behavior and conduct anyway. they took them seriously when the lied and got acorn shut down too, so what?

Evidence that Young and or Cochran were actually involved?

This from AVN:
"Previously, Young was employed by Project Veritas but signed a joint letter to the organization’s board back in February of this year calling for the ouster of founder James O’Keefe for “erratic behavior.” "
 
The Guardian (September 2022):

Donald Findlater (Stop It Now! and the Lucy Faithfull Foundation):
“We know from speaking to people who contact our helpline or who are arrested that their route to watching the abuse of children often involves accessing legal porn and then searching from there. To be clear, that is not the journey all offenders make, but it is the journey for some and we need to serve warnings to them – that children were harmed to make these images and are further harmed by continual viewing.”
(My emphasis)

The numbers involved in the online child abuse crisis are huge and growing all the time. About 850 people, virtually all of them men, are arrested each month in England and Wales for downloading indecent images or grooming children online. In 2010 there were only 407 arrests across the entire year – a 25-fold rise.
 
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Evidence that Young and or Cochran were actually involved?

This from AVN:
"Previously, Young was employed by Project Veritas but signed a joint letter to the organization’s board back in February of this year calling for the ouster of founder James O’Keefe for “erratic behavior.” "

you want evidence she worked for project veritas? you provided it
 
you want evidence she worked for project veritas? you provided it

No.

You'd need to show that Cochran and Young have produced undercover material that has been manipulated and edited to suit their/Project Veritas' narrative.
 
No.

You'd need to show that Cochran and Young have produced undercover material that has been manipulated and edited to suit their/Project Veritas' narrative.

that's what project veritas did. if they worked for them it was producing that. which they did work for them.
 
that's what project veritas did. if they worked for them it was producing that. which they did work for them.

You haven't shown that Young and Cochran were involved in dodgy journalism. Period.
 
besides that they worked for a group whose purpose was to do exactly that? i get why you don’t want to acknowledge it but they have a huge credibility issue when they start their own project making project veritas style undercover investigations
 
besides that they worked for a group whose purpose was to do exactly that? i get why you don’t want to acknowledge it but they have a huge credibility issue when they start their own project making project veritas style undercover investigations

What we also know for sure is that Pornhub removed 80% of their content following the Kristof article back in 2020. That does not make them guilty now.

Young and Cochran's involvement with PV is awkward, but I am not aware of anything that directly implicates them. It's possible, for sure.

Is anyone not tainted by their past?
 

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