Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

[Guybrush Threepwood]

QUOTE=Vixen;14281322]My best subject at school was languages. After the first year, having come top in most subjects, in the second year I was placed in the top academic stream, which meant giving up Music and Art, both of which I was good at and enjoyed, but happy to drop the Domestic Science with its fire-breathing ogre of a teacher. This ‘academic’ stream pulled together all of the pupils who’d performed well in their particular first-year form (there were four first-year forms). The first year was pulled together from the 20% of pupils in the region who had passed the 11+ exam. So, I was in the top 25% of the top 20% from the second year on. Instead of doing two sciences or double science, we did Chemistry, Physics and Biology as three separate subjects, plus an extra language, German, in my case, added to the foreign language from the first year, which was French. Others did Latin.

For the next four years, twice a year, I usually came top in English and French and ranked 3rd in German, thanks to strong competition from kids in the class with German or Swiss parents. Chemistry, usually about 6th. Likewise, History and Geography. Physics and Maths, in the top half at least 15th, but nothing outstanding. Biology, I found difficult in terms of swotting time but ranked 3rd mostly, and was surprised to get a ‘Credit’ at O-Level, which was lucky, as it was mandatory to have Biology O-Level to get into Psychology, (back then, Distinctions were handed out far less freely than today.) I took up Economics as from the fifth form.

Back in the day, it was commonplace for teachers to have favourites. I was the teacher’s pet of two English teachers, one of them well-known in the theatre and I was also the pet of the Chemistry teacher and the Economics one. The English teachers liked me because I shared their passion for literature. I was the nerdy kid laughing hard in all of the right places. The Chemistry teacher told my parents I always knew the answer to his questions. He was old school, gown and mortarboard, and strict. He would rip in half, in front of the class, any test paper or homework that he thought was not up to standard. He was the only teacher who enquired after me when I was away for a prolonged period. He put us through the Chemistry O-Level one year early as the syllabus was about to change.

The places for Psychology – fast forward – were oversubscribed 20 to one so an entry selection test was applied. My tutor mentioned to me in passing some time later, that my score in this test was the highest they had ever had. During this course, I designed and completed fifteen laboratory reports, plus questionnaires, and applied statistical analyses to them. In addition, wrote up a 30,000-word dissertation. The statistics module was a chore, as were most of the professional accountancy exams. Thanks to the heavy statistics and laboratory emphasis of the degree, it was easy to gain exemptions into chartered accountancy, together with the NVQ4 I also had, also heavily technical. As my son succinctly puts it, ‘Just because I am good at it, doesn’t mean I like it!’

Footnote: Of the guys in my class that came top in Physics, one became a leading paediatrician surgeon at Alder Hey Children’s Hospital, one of the most renowned in England, and another an eminent Physicist and Astrophysicist professor at Rutgers, with about 39 letters after his name. This guy showed his talent in inventiveness and understanding of Physics at the age of fourteen, when he brought into class his own homemade and self-designed periscope…for looking up girls’ skirts.

So, do I have a sufficient grounding in science to be able to grasp and discuss the concepts involved in the Luton Airport Fire and/or that of the Estonia shipwreck? <Shrug> Make of it what you will.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't sure about this one, but you seem to have landed one with it, so fair play to you. You know what you're at.

 

[Steve]

Did you read it?

This would deserve a nom for pith, if if wasn't so common in these threads.

 

[Andy_Ross]

https://www.traficom.fi/en/transport/road/winter-tyres

"If so required by weather or road surface conditions, winter tyres must be used from 1 November to 31 March. Studded tyres can be used from 1 November to 31 March and also during other periods if so required by weather or road surface conditions."

Not compulsory all the time everywhere

 

[Mojo]

So, do I have a sufficient grounding in science to be able to grasp and discuss the concepts involved in the Luton Airport Fire and/or that of the Estonia shipwreck?

Apparently not.

 

[JayUtah]

My...

Onion-on-the-belt story shipped for irrelevancy.

So, do I have a sufficient grounding in science to be able to grasp and discuss the concepts involved in the Luton Airport Fire and/or that of the Estonia shipwreck?

No.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I always take the view it is more cock up than conspiracy

Oh, really? That's literally the opposite of the case here.

You are the one, the only one, who has been adamant that the fire service's trivial 'cockup' in not specifically naming and excluding one class of EV was not an oversight but a deliberate part of a conspiracy to deceive the public.

 

[Steve]

Apparently not.

Based on more than ample evidence available in the threads in question I would say definitely not.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... if you wait for the snow to fall on the ground, how do you get your car to the garage

Well obviously you change the wheels yourself at home. Get your car jack and torque wrench and fit your spare set of wheels with the winter tyres. Stick the summer wheels in the garage till spring.

Say, wait a minute. Wasn't that you just a few hours ago moaning about the weight of EVs and making exaggerated claims they were too heavy for ordinary car jacks? Even if that had been true, if you get a garage to do the job for you why do you care if the car's a bit heavier?

 

[catsmate]

Vixen's legendary (and frequently self-aggrandised) commitment to accuracy, attention to detail, and research chops, shines brightly once again

Indeed.

LOL I see you are not a resident of Finland.

No, but I have lived and worked there. Amongst numerous other places.

So, if you wait for the snow to fall on the ground, how do you get your car to the garage without breaking the law? (OK, so police will generally trun a blind eye at the beginning and end to allow for this as long as you are not driving summer tyres on a dangerously icy road.)

Sigh. Yet another pathetic attempt to wallpaper over your error. This shows the degree of accuracy your "research" achieves.

 

[GlennB]

Apparently not.

Ah yes, that post which 'led to consequences' iirc.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Consequences will never be the same.

 

[whoanellie]

My best subject at school was languages. After the first year, having come top in most subjects, in the second year I was placed in the top academic stream, which meant giving up Music and Art, both of which I was good at and enjoyed, but happy to drop the Domestic Science with its fire-breathing ogre of a teacher. This ‘academic’ stream pulled together all of the pupils who’d performed well in their particular first-year form (there were four first-year forms). The first year was pulled together from the 20% of pupils in the region who had passed the 11+ exam. So, I was in the top 25% of the top 20% from the second year on. Instead of doing two sciences or double science, we did Chemistry, Physics and Biology as three separate subjects, plus an extra language, German, in my case, added to the foreign language from the first year, which was French. Others did Latin.

For the next four years, twice a year, I usually came top in English and French and ranked 3rd in German, thanks to strong competition from kids in the class with German or Swiss parents. Chemistry, usually about 6th. Likewise, History and Geography. Physics and Maths, in the top half at least 15th, but nothing outstanding. Biology, I found difficult in terms of swotting time but ranked 3rd mostly, and was surprised to get a ‘Credit’ at O-Level, which was lucky, as it was mandatory to have Biology O-Level to get into Psychology, (back then, Distinctions were handed out far less freely than today.) I took up Economics as from the fifth form.

Back in the day, it was commonplace for teachers to have favourites. I was the teacher’s pet of two English teachers, one of them well-known in the theatre and I was also the pet of the Chemistry teacher and the Economics one. The English teachers liked me because I shared their passion for literature. I was the nerdy kid laughing hard in all of the right places. The Chemistry teacher told my parents I always knew the answer to his questions. He was old school, gown and mortarboard, and strict. He would rip in half, in front of the class, any test paper or homework that he thought was not up to standard. He was the only teacher who enquired after me when I was away for a prolonged period. He put us through the Chemistry O-Level one year early as the syllabus was about to change.

The places for Psychology – fast forward – were oversubscribed 20 to one so an entry selection test was applied. My tutor mentioned to me in passing some time later, that my score in this test was the highest they had ever had. During this course, I designed and completed fifteen laboratory reports, plus questionnaires, and applied statistical analyses to them. In addition, wrote up a 30,000-word dissertation. The statistics module was a chore, as were most of the professional accountancy exams. Thanks to the heavy statistics and laboratory emphasis of the degree, it was easy to gain exemptions into chartered accountancy, together with the NVQ4 I also had, also heavily technical. As my son succinctly puts it, ‘Just because I am good at it, doesn’t mean I like it!’

Footnote: Of the guys in my class that came top in Physics, one became a leading paediatrician surgeon at Alder Hey Children’s Hospital, one of the most renowned in England, and another an eminent Physicist and Astrophysicist professor at Rutgers, with about 39 letters after his name. This guy showed his talent in inventiveness and understanding of Physics at the age of fourteen, when he brought into class his own homemade and self-designed periscope…for looking up girls’ skirts.

So, do I have a sufficient grounding in science to be able to grasp and discuss the concepts involved in the Luton Airport Fire and/or that of the Estonia shipwreck? <Shrug> Make of it what you will.

Pathetic.
I don't know what would be worse - you've made this all up or you meticulously remember all thses details of your childhood education.
I do find it hard to believe that someone who was able to do so well in school has devolved into the grown adult who can post such blithering nonsense as this:

Vixen on biochemistry:
"Likewise, DNA, being a protein, doesn't usually stick unless there are moist or oily conditions, such as saliva, perspiration, moist skin cells, blood and other bodily fluids."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11175075#post11175075
“I was trying to convey that DNA is found in protein (referring to bodily fluids, such as greasy sweat from sebaceous glands).”
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12851828#post12851828
NB: In a DNA model the 'rungs' strictly speaking are four-cornered squares with a different sugar/amino-acid on each corner, but to keep it simple, we will not concern ourselves with that, here.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12880109#post12880109
Vixen on cell biology:
"She extracted the cell from its nucleus"
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11418330#post11418330
Vixen on genetics:
Humans have two pairs of chomosomes either XY or YY. The former is female and you can extract mtDNA for the haplotype, the latter are male and you can perform Y-haplotype profiling on a male but not on a female.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12872356#post12872356
Only female DNA can be identified from mtDNA (mitochodria) as only females have the X chromosome from which the mtDNA is extracted. Likewise only males can have Y-haplotypes identified as it carries down from the male line. If you want to know the mtDA background ask your mother or sister to be tested and that will tell you, likewise females can find out about the male line via their father or brother.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12872223#post12872223
Vixen on classical mechanics:
"If thrown from outside, the impact on the window/shutter (assuming it can get through the gap of the outter shutters, which Massei accept it could not have) would be weight of the object times distance travelled, which is say, 10lb x six feet (72")= 720lbs (kinetic energy) divided by the distance it comes to a halt."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11614727#post11614727
“If it is incorrect that weight x velocity equals distance travelled of a thrown inanimate obiect, how come when I was watching the mm-world championship athletics t'other day a narrrative came up on my screen displaying at what velocity each javelin thrower threw his javelin as it lauched in the air? Surely there must be a link for the highest speed at release were also the ones that seemed to travel the furthest. (134 mpk iirc.)”
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12854300#post12854300
Vixen on dimensional analysis:
"In a foot system, it is OK to convert into inches, as the distance at 'stop' level is often a small fraction of the distance travelled, hence it makes sense to convert 6 feet into 72 inches, if the stop distance is a fraction of an inch. (This is just a nicetie, and of course, not mandatory.) the weight of the rock was expressed in lbs for similar reason."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11615129#post11615129
Vixen on IT
"I am sure a first year IT student would have no problem unscrewing the back and taking out the motherboard and frying the disk."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12020274#post12020274
Vixen on forensic psychology:
“Since murderers never admit to their guilt ....”
Vixen on Vixen:
“I am a mathematician and a scientist.”
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11651593#post11651593

 

[GlennB]

^^

Magnificent

 

[W.D.Clinger]

My best subject at school was languages....

Heartbreaking, that after such a promising start, Vixen is unable to understand simple English sentences such as

At this time, we can confirm the vehicle involved was a diesel-powered vehicle.​

When the report comes out I hope people here have a strong cup of tea in front of them should it turn out to be a hybrid.

When reading Vixen's pronouncements, I know better than to have any liquid in my mouth or within reach.

I must also remove liquids from my vicinity when people quote Vixen.

For example...

Vixen on genetics:
Humans have two pairs of chomosomes either XY or YY. The former is female and you can extract mtDNA for the haplotype, the latter are male and you can perform Y-haplotype profiling on a male but not on a female.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12872356#post12872356
Only female DNA can be identified from mtDNA (mitochodria) as only females have the X chromosome from which the mtDNA is extracted. Likewise only males can have Y-haplotypes identified as it carries down from the male line. If you want to know the mtDA background ask your mother or sister to be tested and that will tell you, likewise females can find out about the male line via their father or brother.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12872223#post12872223

I thought I knew nothing about genetics or biology in general, but now I am reminded that some people know even less than I.

So, do I have a sufficient grounding in science to be able to grasp and discuss the concepts involved in the Luton Airport Fire and/or that of the Estonia shipwreck?

Apparently not.

What's more, Vixen couldn't understand why her plagiarized explanation was absurdly wrong.

Vixen on Vixen:
“I am a mathematician and a scientist.”
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11651593#post11651593

 

[Foster Zygote]

^^

Magnificent

Indeed. Utterly craptacular.

 

[novaphile]

Reminds me of another song:

Last night I heard a poster singing a song:
"Derp deep, derpy derpy deep-deep, derpy derpy deep deep derp!"

 

[Mojo]

Vixen on geometry (and physics):

A boat is only a half circle in shape, thus if port is at 45° and starboard at 135°, it is indeed standing perpendicular to the deck and now parallel with the water's surface when turned 90°. However, it only takes a list of just 45° for the side of the boat to be irrevocably in a state of impending capsize. At 90° this has surely already happened. And if it has turned more than 90° then it means the rotational force has reversed and it would have continued turning upside down, were it not for the sand bank, where it came to rest.

The guy in the video uses 0° for the centre of gravity thus making it clear what the angle of list is and of course, it depends on the shape of the hull as to what point it tips over. At at an angle of 70° list (or at 160° to the surface of the water) it is likely already at negative gravity and capsize imminent. By 90° it is certainly not floating om its side, it is in the final throes of turtling. (Ceteris paribus)

 

[erwinl]

Vixen on geometry (and physics):

And this jumble of nonsense in numbers, as well as in the examples above, comes from an (self professed) accountant!

 

[Dabop]

Vixen on geometry (and physics):

A boat is only a half circle in shape, thus if port is at 45° and starboard at 135°, it is indeed standing perpendicular to the deck and now parallel with the water's surface when turned 90°. However, it only takes a list of just 45° for the side of the boat to be irrevocably in a state of impending capsize. At 90° this has surely already happened. And if it has turned more than 90° then it means the rotational force has reversed and it would have continued turning upside down, were it not for the sand bank, where it came to rest.

The guy in the video uses 0° for the centre of gravity thus making it clear what the angle of list is and of course, it depends on the shape of the hull as to what point it tips over. At at an angle of 70° list (or at 160° to the surface of the water) it is likely already at negative gravity and capsize imminent. By 90° it is certainly not floating om its side, it is in the final throes of turtling. (Ceteris paribus)

Urrgghh...What she said would apply- on IF the center of rotation of the hull, AND the center of gravity were the same- but no boat is made like that- they would be a very uncomfortable beast to ride in...
That's why they have ballast and even weighted keels- to put the center of gravity as far down as possible (many sail boats use weighted keels below the hull itself, and have the COG pretty much dead on the bottom of the hull itself and can regularly run at 45 degrees 'lean' (list) under full sail, or more... (I'm sure everyone has seen some of the offshore racing boat races, some of those go waaaay past 45 degrees and are still stable at that...)

With watertight deck covers and openings, they could go out to 90 degrees and still come back safely!!!

Not even a racing yacht lol

 

[Disbelief]

It won't turn out to be a hybrid (of any variety).

All sentient beings with even a cursory reading of the official statements can see and understand that the car was a straightforward diesel.

I hope you have a large slice of humble pie in front of you when the report comes out, and that you eat it in front of the audience in this thread.

That's the most optimistic thing written on this forum. When the official report comes out that it was a diesel, she'll just go back to it was a cover up for Big Battery.