JayUtah
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You are still not a scientist.
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Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II
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You are still not a scientist.
That does seem to be the limit of your research technique.
Mojo
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Vixen
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On the Google 'news' search pages for October last year. I went through about five of them and so many were simply a repeat of what some news agency had syndicated, I realized, as Shirley Conran once said, 'Life is too short to stuff a mushroom'.
Vixen
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Your wishful thinking doesn't make it so.
MarkCorrigan
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It's not wishful thinking on anyone'spart but yours. You're just not a scientist.
MarkCorrigan
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Amazing.
So you're refusing to find this mythical quote and even prove it exists, but you expect us to just take your word for it and also accept the conspiracy gibberish you've spun off from the supposed quote as fact?
Simply amazing.
Jack by the hedge
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Jenny of Communications reiterated it was just a diesel car. She specifically stated it was not various types of lithium battery car which cranks and conspiracy theorists had been falsely claiming. Poor Jenny failed to realise that an inexhaustive list was like catnip to cranks who now insist Jenny, on behalf of the fire service, is deliberately deceiving us.
When the report comes out and this imagined deceit is revealed, what reputational damage would that do to the fire service? Trust would be destroyed. It isn't even remotely plausible and you already want Jenny's head on a plate for the lesser offence of failing to spot one possible vehicle configuration in her list of "it was a diesel car FFS". How many sackings would be demanded if your daft story came true?
Jack by the hedge
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Whose archives are you talking about?
<edit> Never mind. I see you mean you googled it and eventually gave up.
Are you able to discern how implausible your recollection sounds for the reasons mentioned above? Your inability to google back to whatever source you found the claim on only tends to reinforce that.
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Mojo
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That's not an "archive".
Anyway, if you've completely forgotten where you saw it, or even enough details to enable you to carry out a competent Google search, why should we believe that you are recalling anything about it accurately?
Incidentally, I've just done a Google news search. The results:
Dabop
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I can't say anything about the UK secrets act stuff- but once again, you have stepped in somewhere where I do have actual experience (far too much of it in fact)
Jacking up cars...
The largest and heaviest EV is a positive lightweight compared to jacking up a truck (and I don't mean truck as in US 'bloated ute' but ACTUAL trucks- as in semi's and rigids (articulated lorry and lorry in UK speak I believe lol) which I have actual experience with
(sighs- and will have again soon, as in the morning I fear- my 8 tonne tilt-tray is sitting on 5 fully inflated tyres, and the passenger steer tyre is ... not...)
In fact I looked up the weight of a Tesla Long range Model 3, (I have this already, I dare say any of the SUV model ones wouldn't be that much different) which is pretty much the heaviest of BEVs in terms of they have one of the largest battery capacity currently around, and they weigh in a a paltry 1.899 tonnes- sure it 'might' be heavier than a compact sedan/hatchback if that is all you are used to- but certainly not so much that you 'can't jack it up with a car jack'...
Indeed it is actually lighter than a commonly found 4wd here...
A 4x4 turbo diesel Hilux crewcab with 'ute' body (the most common variant found here in Australia) and has been the best selling vehicle (of all types) for 10 of the last 15 years, weighs in at 2.27 tonnes (and as it has a payload capacity of 800kg), it could weigh up to a grand total of over 3 tonnes fully loaded...
Almost DOUBLE the weight of that Tesla M3LR...
And yet, it should come as no surprise that the jack included with it handles it with ease...
Another vixen lie exposed- sorry 'mis truth'
(sorry about the late responce to the original quote, been away for a week and just catching up lol)
Oh, well spotted; I'd managed to skip over that particular piece of nonsense.
About the only grain of truth is that you may need a higher-rated jack than the common scissor jack that cars tended to come with; though, as you say, if the vehicle comes with a jack then that will be capable of handling the load. And, again as you say, non-EVs are also getting bigger and heavier, so this isn't limited to EVs.
I've changed a wheel on our motorhome, using a (appropriately rated) jack, and that's considerably heavier than either of our EVs.
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That weight for the Tesla is the same as my Ford Focus with a full tank of fuel.
My last Jaguar XJS was a 1994 model, it weighed 2.2 tons.
I never had a problem jacking it up.
You can buy a 2 ton bottle jack for £20 and a 5 ton for around £40.
You can get a 2.5 ton Scissor jack for £20.
Dabop
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Sighs- I wish mine had cost that little- the jack (along with everything else) was stolen when I was in Brisbane one time- they broke into the toolbox mounted under the tray, and took everything in it- the jumper pack, socket and spanner sets, chains and dogs and straps, and the jack...
A new 20 tonne jack cost me about $130Au- all up they cost me over a grand to replace everything...
But yeah- a BEV is far from being 'too heavy' for a person to do so with even average gear to change their own tyres- hell I would be willing to 'risk' doing it with the jack from my Corolla
(its only rated at 1100kg- but most jacks have a significant 'safe leeway' in their ratings- not that I would advise anyone to do it, but I have done so in the past... I used a 2 tonne rated screw jack to jack up a 12 tonne truck in an emergency- it did it (turning the handle was a bit of a struggle though lol) but definitely well outside its safe working limit...
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People misuse words all the time. If someone says that are "literally green with envy", are you going to insist that the definition of 'literally' be changed to include things that are actually figurative?
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You have not established the veracity of this timeline.
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Actually, it seems more like it's simply less formal, rather than more nuanced and subtle. 'Great', for example, is quantitative, not qualitative. But in common usage people say 'great' to mean "of high quality" or "good" all the time. But that doesn't mean their usage is more sophisticated, just that its less formal. And it doesn't mean that someone can argue that historians referring to the "Great War" are glorifying it as something positive.
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An actual scientist would not have introduced an unverified, allegedly anonymous source as supporting evidence.
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SpitfireIX
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Not in most cases, as has been mentioned. Although I admittedly only practiced for a couple of years, I never used anything beyond secondary school algebra as either an auditor or a management accountant.
I would also point out that, as an example, only three credits in business calculus and three credits in business statistics are required for Purdue University's BS in Accounting. However, all science majors are required to take at least eight credits in calculus (and probably considerably more); three credits in statistics for math, science, and/or statistics majors; and three credits in computer programming.
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