NZ Politics, the Luxon Era

Doesn't answer my question it just restates your claim, so let me be more obvious.

What are you claiming is happening in UK politics and what evidence do you have?

Also if you think Labour have the Islamic vote sewn up you are...not correct. Very not correct.
 
There are 20 constituencies in the UK that have an electorate comprised of more than 30% Muslims. All of them elected a Labour MP in 2019. At the top of the list is Birmingham Hodge Hill, where 62% of the population identifies as Muslim.

I found the above.

https://theconversation.com/labours...on-risk-of-keir-starmers-gaza-position-225118

Now I don't know the NZ vote by Muslims, but I regard Whanaus call to arms as a disgrace. I have no idea what the other Nzs think here.
 
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There are 20 constituencies in the UK that have an electorate comprised of more than 30% Muslims. All of them elected a Labour MP in 2019. At the top of the list is Birmingham Hodge Hill, where 62% of the population identifies as Muslim.

I found the above.

Right...so what?

Do you know what the Islamic population of the UK is? I do. Here's a hint though, not very big.
 
Right...so what?

Do you know what the Islamic population of the UK is? I do. Here's a hint though, not very big.
It is about 2/3rds the whole population of NZ. Sounds like a lot to an Atheist like me.
After the chch shootings it was discovered the widows mainly had no driver licenses or bank accounts. That makes me a feminist and Islamiphobe. I am a paid member of The Women's Rights Party in NZ.
 
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It is about 2/3rds the whole population of NZ. Sounds like a lot to an Atheist like me.
After the chch shootings it was discovered the widows mainly had no driver licenses or bank accounts. That makes me a feminist and Islamiphobe. I am a paid member of The Women's Rights Party in NZ.

It's less than 5%. It's not a lot at all.

I know you're a member of the transphobe party, you bang on about it enough.

You've still utterly failed to explain what you meant. All you're doing is using vague innuendo to make it sound threatening. You've not actually backed up your point at all, you've barely even made a coherent one.

You never make coherent points. It's like talking to a rambling homeless person.
 
It's less than 5%. It's not a lot at all.

I know you're a member of the transphobe party, you bang on about it enough.

You've still utterly failed to explain what you meant. All you're doing is using vague innuendo to make it sound threatening. You've not actually backed up your point at all, you've barely even made a coherent one.

You never make coherent points. It's like talking to a rambling homeless person.
I think coherence can be lacking but facts intact. You are a young whippersnapper (assuming your profile age be correct), wet behind the ears, but showing promise.
Now, apart from not showing my working over gerrymandering, where have I made a false statement.
The stated aim of the religion of Islam is to run the world, there is nothing remotely similar among the others, except arguably Xi Peng would like his form of communism to take hold.
 
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Rank hyperbole.

I disagree, and I joined the Green Party about ten years ago because I thought they were worth a chance. Labour (and Labor) have been almost useless, sticking so close to the centre to try to gain votes that they've allowed their real constituencies to wither.

I thought the Greens offered a chance of actual democratic socialism, which you should be aware, is my political preference.

Alas, it took only weeks to expose the Greens as corrupt, two-faced, self-serving liars and anti-sicence, anti-vax scum and I resigned as a member. Their policies are totalitarian and their people are crap. They deserve every epithet I can throw at them in NZ. I don't know what Aussie Greens are like, but the American variety are as bad or worse then ours.

We have a part Maori woman as mayor of Wellington, the capital city. This Tory Whanau is proposing the Islamic call to prayer be broadcast to the general public.

As it happens, they don't need her permission.

They propose broadcasting the call to prayer from the mosque itself, so they're just as entitled to do that as churches ringing bells.

Your posts are racist calls, especially in the face of a country that saw a massacre of 50 peaceful citizens. I gather these are your mates: https://nzissues.com/Community/thre...osque-calls-to-prayer-on-loud-speakers.54014/
 
Yes, there is. Christianity in its varied forms still sends out missionaries. They don't explicitly state that the aim is to run the world but that's pretty obviously the aim.

Islam isn't a single religion you know. There's a big variation in the beliefs held by Muslims around the world. Some are absolutely backwards, no doubt, but tarring all Muslims with the same brush is nonsensical, and when you only hold that religion to account its also pretty racist.

Again, you've not made a point you've just made vague allegations that you can't back up. You really fail at every argument you make. Your points are all gibberish, your sources are pretty uniformly crackpot and your arguments weak.

I never said you made a false statement, I said your claims are unsupported and incoherent. Your arguments are laughably stupid. When you accused Islam of gerrymandering uk politics that isn't a false statement because its a statement that doesn't make any sense. It can't be argued against because its meaningless. When I asked you to explain it you made a comment about 20 constituencies in the uk (out of 650 by the way, so 3%) where the number of Muslims is 30% of the population or higher. This is meaningless. If you are claiming that Islam is taking over uk politics which I think is what you were trying to argue you have to show how Muslims are influencing a significant portion of uk MPs for example, or how Islamic pressure groups are guiding the actions of the government. There are a few routes you could go down to try to demonstrate your point.

Instead you just commented on a specific statistic you thought sounded scary (20 constituencies have a Muslim population of 30%+!) Without providing any context. Context that shows how small an impact Muslims have on uk politics.

But I imagine the sources who told you what to think on the area didn't point out the context, did they? They just provided a scary sounding number and you regurgitated it without even thinking.
 
I disagree, and I joined the Green Party about ten years ago because I thought they were worth a chance. Labour (and Labor) have been almost useless, sticking so close to the centre to try to gain votes that they've allowed their real constituencies to wither.

I thought the Greens offered a chance of actual democratic socialism, which you should be aware, is my political preference.

Alas, it took only weeks to expose the Greens as corrupt, two-faced, self-serving liars and anti-sicence, anti-vax scum and I resigned as a member. Their policies are totalitarian and their people are crap. They deserve every epithet I can throw at them in NZ. I don't know what Aussie Greens are like, but the American variety are as bad or worse then ours.
I'm aware that not all Greens are minted the same, and believe me ours have some issues too. But you said that they wanted to control every aspect of your lives, and I don't see that in their manifesto.
 
I'm aware that not all Greens are minted the same, and believe me ours have some issues too. But you said that they wanted to control every aspect of your lives, and I don't see that in their manifesto.

Hmm...

Every Green I've known, including myself, is concerned about how their own actions impact the world. I haven't seen any evidence of a desire to control people outside of the "You must respect my autoriteh!" right-wingers.

Perhaps Samson is confusing Greens with Fascists?
 
It is about 2/3rds the whole population of NZ. Sounds like a lot to an Atheist like me.

1 - Atheist is only capitalised when it's a proper noun, like The Atheist.

2 - The holy roman catholic population population of UK is greater than the population of NZ. The protestant population is 5 times our entire population.

That makes me a feminist and Islamiphobe.

:dl:

I am a paid member of The Women's Rights Party in NZ.

The first three statements on their front page:

Sex is binary
Human beings cannot change sex
Women are adult humans of the female sex

No phobias in play there...

You are a young whippersnapper (assuming your profile age be correct), wet behind the ears, but showing promise.

Condescending bollocks of the worst order.

Being old doesn't make you smart, learning makes you smart, and it's clear you haven't learned anything since the glory days when rape in marriage wasn't illegal and physically disciplining your wife was within the law.
 
Indeed it is condescending bollocks. I have no problem admitting when someone knows more than me no matter their age, but I think I can safely say that this is definitely not the case here.
 
Indeed it is condescending bollocks. I have no problem admitting when someone knows more than me no matter their age, but I think I can safely say that this is definitely not the case here.
Young whippersnapper wet behind the ears but showing promise vs rambling homeless man (Your precise descriptor of me).
Your view of NZ politics is uninformed by the debates that have wrangled for decades, but you are showing promise.

Step 1. Get educated.
Step 2. Publish an opinion.
Step 3. Show your workings.

I wish you the best of British luck on your journey.
 
Young whippersnapper wet behind the ears but showing promise vs rambling homeless man (Your precise descriptor of me).
Your view of NZ politics is uninformed by the debates that have wrangled for decades, but you are showing promise.

Step 1. Get educated.
Step 2. Publish an opinion.
Step 3. Show your workings.

I wish you the best of British luck on your journey.

That you are posting this is hilariously ironic.

You never show your working, you just regurgitate (usually false) opinions spoon-fed to you by sources you have outright admitted to only listening to because they say what you want to hear.

Your education appears to have been poor to non existent, and your grasp of English is worse than my 10 year old niece.

You are once again refusing to engage with my actual points to you and simply repeating your condescending bollocks.
 
Meanwhile, dear old Winston sings to his crowd: https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350215364/winston-peters-returns-campaign-rhetoric-deputy-pm

He compared “co-governance” to what was seen in “Nazi Germany”.

And Mike King will be able to buy a new Harley!

Peters said NZ First would work to restore the Marsden Point Refinery and coastal shipping. He said the party also wanted to “upgrade” the Super Gold Card and would get Government funding for Gumboot Friday, a youth mental health initiative run by former comedian Mike King.

The old bloke clearly has dementia - there is no economic case for re-opening Marsden Pt.
 
I disagree, and I joined the Green Party about ten years ago because I thought they were worth a chance. Labour (and Labor) have been almost useless, sticking so close to the centre to try to gain votes that they've allowed their real constituencies to wither.

I thought the Greens offered a chance of actual democratic socialism, which you should be aware, is my political preference.

Alas, it took only weeks to expose the Greens as corrupt, two-faced, self-serving liars and anti-sicence, anti-vax scum and I resigned as a member. Their policies are totalitarian and their people are crap.
But not communist.

Economic Policy
We will tackle unacceptable levels of inequality and environmental damage through reorienting taxation, regulating markets, bolstering environmental protection, investing in people and innovation, and strengthening education. We will ensure that a Green economy supports all New Zealanders, promotes gender and pay equity, recognises and values unpaid work, and provides a just distribution of our nation's wealth.
This is socialism, not communism, and not vastly different from the policies of other socialist parties.

You may be right about the people - but it's normal for 'fringe' parties to attract these sorts. If they were any good they would be in the Labour party.

As for Labour 'sticking so close to the center' the last election shows why. Most kiwis only care about themselves (and aren't even much good at doing that), even those who say they care about others. Take yourself for example; remember this?
What I hope is that Labour only gets <49% of the countable votes so they're forced to go to James Shaw.
Much as I despise the Greens, he would be crazy not to insist on a wealth tax as their price for going along. If he did that and Labour decline, we'd be up for a new election and I think all hell would break loose. National would be led by Luxon and Labour would be in danger of getting kicked out.
Well I guess you got what you hoped for... how'd that work out?
 
Yes, there is. Christianity in its varied forms still sends out missionaries. They don't explicitly state that the aim is to run the world but that's pretty obviously the aim.

Islam isn't a single religion you know. There's a big variation in the beliefs held by Muslims around the world. Some are absolutely backwards, no doubt, but tarring all Muslims with the same brush is nonsensical, and when you only hold that religion to account its also pretty racist.

Again, you've not made a point you've just made vague allegations that you can't back up. You really fail at every argument you make. Your points are all gibberish, your sources are pretty uniformly crackpot and your arguments weak.

I never said you made a false statement, I said your claims are unsupported and incoherent. Your arguments are laughably stupid. When you accused Islam of gerrymandering uk politics that isn't a false statement because its a statement that doesn't make any sense. It can't be argued against because its meaningless. When I asked you to explain it you made a comment about 20 constituencies in the uk (out of 650 by the way, so 3%) where the number of Muslims is 30% of the population or higher. This is meaningless. If you are claiming that Islam is taking over uk politics which I think is what you were trying to argue you have to show how Muslims are influencing a significant portion of uk MPs for example, or how Islamic pressure groups are guiding the actions of the government. There are a few routes you could go down to try to demonstrate your point.

Instead you just commented on a specific statistic you thought sounded scary (20 constituencies have a Muslim population of 30%+!) Without providing any context. Context that shows how small an impact Muslims have on uk politics.

But I imagine the sources who told you what to think on the area didn't point out the context, did they? They just provided a scary sounding number and you regurgitated it without even thinking.
The source came by Google search. I consider I am a rational despiser of Islam. The children are fed falsehoods immediately they absorb language. Sarah Haider, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Nuriya Khan and a host of others say Islam is one shocker of a cult. Check their work, don't worry about the ramblings of the homeless. Islam is of immense political significance everywhere, and Ardern politicized it here with her disgraceful donning of the oppressive and patriarchal hijab. Luxon has doubled down by celebrating Ramadan. Imagine my cult of atheism, non medication and rational thought being paid homage by the Taliban.
 
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The source came by Google search. I consider I am a rational despiser of Islam. The children are fed falsehoods immediately they absorb language. Sarah Haider, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Nuriya Khan and a host of others say Islam is one shocker of a cult. Check their work, don't worry about the ramblings of the homeless. Islam is of immense political significance everywhere, and Ardern politicized it here with her disgraceful donning of the oppressive and patriarchal hijab. Luxon has doubled down by celebrating Ramadan. Imagine my cult of atheism, non medication and rational thought being paid homage by the Taliban.


I am with you on that, but I go further. I despise ALL religions - and I consider the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) to be among the worst .

ALL THREE feed their followers a litany of falsehoods and misrepresentations, demand they believe unquestioningly, and demand blind faith in some magic deity, the existence of which is completely unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.

In fact, when talking about what a load of cobblers religion is, the late George Carlin was the greatest truth-teller. This might be comedy, but from the first second to the last, the video is two minutes of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

WARNING: BAD LANGUAGE
 
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I am with you on that, but I go further. I despise ALL religions - and I consider the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) to be among the worst .

ALL THREE feed their followers a litany of falsehoods and misrepresentations, demand they believe unquestioningly, and demand blind faith in some magic deity, the existence of which is completely unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.

In fact, when talking about what a load of cobblers religion is, the late George Carlin was the greatest truth-teller. This might be comedy, but from the first second to the last, the video is two minutes of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

WARNING: BAD LANGUAGE
I am increasingly interested in a curriculum that is only science.
Maths
Physics
Chemistry
Biology.
From age 3.
Oh plus reading and writin
 
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