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Racist Countryside Art

Orphia Nay said:
What makes you think the program is beat-up?

Brainster quotes: “It states that this national sentiment comes with “the implication that only those with a historical tie to the land have a right to belong”.”

I’d like to see that snippet in its original context.
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It's on a sigh.

Archived link of the article in the OP. I'm surprised more people don't know about using archive.ph to bypass paywalls. On some forums, it's standard protocol.


The new signage states that pictures of “rolling English hills” can stir feelings of “pride towards a homeland”.

However, in a gallery displaying a bucolic work by Constable, visitors are informed that “there is a darker side” to the “nationalist feeling” evoked by images of the British countryside.
It states that this national sentiment comes with “the implication that only those with a historical tie to the land have a right to belong”.
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There is a massive overlap between woke and stupid.
 
Originally Posted by Stout

There is a massive overlap between woke and stupid.
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As I defined it, there is no overlap at all. Not even a tiny bit.

The subject example of this thread is not "woke", its just plain stupid

- I believe that everyone should be treated as equals regardless of their race, ethnicity or skin colour. That means legal and human rights, and educational, employment and advancement opportunities. They should be free to express themselves, wear whatever they want, to love whomever they choose.

- I believe (biological) women should have the right to single-sex safe spaces, the right to compete in sports with other (biological) women, have the right to absolute bodily autonomy

- I believe that LBGTQ people should not be treated any differently to any other person. They should have the same protections regarding education, employment, safety and freedom of speech as everyone else.


People like YOU would label me "woke" for holding those beliefs!
 
smartcooky said:
As I defined it, there is no overlap at all. Not even a tiny bit.

The subject example of this thread is not "woke", its just plain stupid

- I believe that everyone should be treated as equals regardless of their race, ethnicity or skin colour. That means legal and human rights, and educational, employment and advancement opportunities. They should be free to express themselves, wear whatever they want, to love whomever they choose.

- I believe (biological) women should have the right to single-sex safe spaces, the right to compete in sports with other (biological) women, have the right to absolute bodily autonomy - I believe that LBGTQ people should not be treated any differently to any other person. They should have the same protections regarding education, employment, safety and freedom of speech as everyone else.


People like YOU would label me "woke" for holding those beliefs!
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You might need to get off your woke horse for the highlighted. The truly woke would say you're transphobic.
 
Stout said:
You mean a photograph of the actual sign?
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Galleries usually have a lot of signs explaining the themes and the paintings.

An excerpt of/or one sign doesn't necessarily sum up the full message and meaning within the exhibition.
 
smartcooky said:
As I defined it, there is no overlap at all. Not even a tiny bit.

The subject example of this thread is not "woke", its just plain stupid

- I believe that everyone should be treated as equals regardless of their race, ethnicity or skin colour. That means legal and human rights, and educational, employment and advancement opportunities. They should be free to express themselves, wear whatever they want, to love whomever they choose.

- I believe (biological) women should have the right to single-sex safe spaces, the right to compete in sports with other (biological) women, have the right to absolute bodily autonomy

- I believe that LBGTQ people should not be treated any differently to any other person. They should have the same protections regarding education, employment, safety and freedom of speech as everyone else.


People like YOU would label me "woke" for holding those beliefs!
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Nah, that's just being a classical liberal however I'll let you know if you stray into wokeness. You can thank me later.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Galleries usually have a lot of signs explaining the themes and the paintings.

An excerpt of/or one sign doesn't necessarily sum up the full message and meaning within the exhibition.
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This isn't that though. This is like a trigger warning instructing White patrons that they may have certain feelings of pride over their countryside and letting them know that those feelings are bad.
 
Brainster said:
You might need to get off your woke horse for the highlighted. The truly woke would say you're transphobic.
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Nope. Those who would call me transphobic for believing that are the stupid.

Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". It has evolved to include those who have become aware of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights.

It is the racists and bigots of the political right who have co-opted the term and use it the way you do here. When you do that, you parrot the talking points of scummy politicians like Marjorie Taylor-Greene, Matt Gaetz, Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott, and vile so-called journalists such as Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham. When you use it the way you do, you reveal a lot about yourself, probably more than you would care to admit.
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Actually, the word is just one letter off "wok", which suggests good, tasty food cooked fresh. So I'm at a loss why the "right" are so at a loss to support "wokism".
 
smartcooky said:
Nope. Those who would call me transphobic for believing that are the stupid.

Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". It has evolved to include those who have become aware of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights.
It is the racists and bigots of the political right who have co-opted the term and use it the way you do here. When you do that, you parrot the talking points of scummy politicians like Marjorie Taylor-Greene, Matt Gaetz, Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott, and vile so-called journalists such as Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham. When you use it the way you do, you reveal a lot about yourself, probably more than you would care to admit.
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The difficulty is those who search so hard for social inequalities that they find them everywhere, even in places you personally might consider to be stupid.

Perhaps they are everywhere. Do you agree?
 
I recently went to an art exhibition which was an arty photographic display of the Finnish forest. I was chuckling at the idea of Finns going to see a display of trees and more trees when we are surrounded by them when we look out of the window. My Welsh pal responded: "Where I grew up there was much art, literature and poetry about the pit and miners, the mountains and the coast to celebrate them'.
 
Lplus said:
The difficulty is those who search so hard for social inequalities that they find them everywhere, even in places you personally might consider to be stupid.

Perhaps they are everywhere. Do you agree?
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I don't search for them, I just ignore the aspects that lead to the discrimination. I have (and have had) friends, acquaintances, colleagues and team-mates who were Māori, Asian, Indian and Middle-Eastern. I have had ones who were gay and ones who were lesbians. None of this has ever made any difference to me as regards their acceptance as friends, acquaintances, colleagues or team-mates.

I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
 
Vixen said:
I recently went to an art exhibition which was an arty photographic display of the Finnish forest. I was chuckling at the idea of Finns going to see a display of trees and more trees when we are surrounded by them when we look out of the window. My Welsh pal responded: "Where I grew up there was much art, literature and poetry about the pit and miners, the mountains and the coast to celebrate them'.
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I hope any visual art depicting Welsh coal miners didn't show them with faces dirty from work because that could be interpreted as wearing blackface and therefore racist. I really wish I could just make this stuff up, but I can't.

Anyways, all woke means is being stupid in an extremely progressive manner.

So how did that trigger word end up in this thread in the first place? Why it was the gallery itself using it as a sort of preemptive defense against the sure to follow accusations of pandering to wokeness. It didn't work, you'd have to be one of these people hoping to find racism in anything and everything to actually believe them.
 
I've always found countryside art a bit condescending.

"Look at those simple rural people enjoying a loverely day in the sunshine looking at animals graze, none of the worries of the modern society"

Utterly ignoring the fact that farming is backbreaking work with a large attrition rate throughout most of history and still a very unsure existence where a single bad day can ruin a full years work.
 
The artists very rarely dirt farmers that did 18 hours a day working the field.

Of course they seen an ideal scene of gentry out in the countryside on a leasurely day. Not a lot of paintings of the residents of leper hospitals or prison ships either to replace those in the museum.

People would never have commissioned nor paid for scenes of ugliness and despair.
Much less displayed them.
 
Stout said:
It's on a sigh.

Archived link of the article in the OP. I'm surprised more people don't know about using archive.ph to bypass paywalls. On some forums, it's standard protocol.




There is a massive overlap between woke and stupid.
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Thanks.

So the quotes aren't from an interview with the Telegraph, it is in fact an interview in the Observer!

Where the one word quote "woke" comes from:

I would love to think that there’s a way of telling these larger, more inclusive histories that doesn’t feel as if it requires a pushback from those who try to suggest that any interest at all in work by women artists or artists of colour – or subject matter that takes us into the world of LBGT culture – is being ‘radical chic’ or what would now be called ‘woke’.

“Being inclusive and representative shouldn’t be controversial; it should be enriching. We should all welcome the opportunities to understand each other better through the eyes of great makers and artists.
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I don't see anything disagreeable with that view.

Certainly will get me to go and look at the new exhibitions - not been for probably a decade and it is a fascinating museum. Always feels very intimate compared to the likes of the BM. Do highly recommend it.
 
Brainster said:
I do love the insistence that this is not "woke"
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It isn't.

The new signage states that pictures of “rolling English hills” can stir feelings of “pride towards a homeland”.

However, in a gallery displaying a bucolic work by Constable, visitors are informed that “there is a darker side” to the “nationalist feeling” evoked by images of the British countryside.
It states that this national sentiment comes with “the implication that only those with a historical tie to the land have a right to belong”.
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And your problem with this is?
 
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