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Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Oh, it is applied to me is it, when I am perfectly healthy. How disgusting to apply the term 'unsound mind' as a cheapo jibe.

Asked and answered. It is being applied to you as a descriptive term, along with evidence to support the conclusion.

Your frantic attempt to transform it into a sweeping, prejudicial value judgment simply doesn't work.
 
Asked and answered. It is being applied to you as a descriptive term, along with evidence to support the conclusion.

Your frantic attempt to transform it into a sweeping, prejudicial value judgment simply doesn't work.

I sincerely hope that nobody you know with a serious disability is aware of your lighthearted attitude to affliction.
 
I sincerely hope that nobody you know with a serious disability is aware of your lighthearted attitude to affliction.


This is not a general argument. People’s attitudes toward you in particular need not resemble in any way their attitudes toward others. Feel free to contest the insinuation and/or provide contrary evidence of your mental prowess. But you may not continue to pretend a different argument was given than was given.
 
This is not a general argument. People’s attitudes toward you in particular need not resemble in any way their attitudes toward others. Feel free to contest the insinuation and/or provide contrary evidence of your mental prowess. But you may not continue to pretend a different argument was given than was given.

Feel free to insult me to your heart's content. Have at it!
 
They apply as an international guide of educational standards.

Where on the page is that stated? The page you refer me to is provided by the U.K. government and establishes categorical equivalences for qualifications required for jobs. I have never disputed that employers may consider whatever they want. However, this does not establish that a certificate is equivalent to a degree for any other purpose, including academic equivalence.

If it makes you feel better, imagine me as an airhead 'clerk' (as I have now been called).

I do not require being made to feel better. However, I imagine you as an armchair detective with delusions of grandeur and no relevant education or qualifications. You may address that, if my impression of you matters.
 
No, sorry, you don't get way with this. You ASKED for my qualifications and I told you. So now you are using my acquiescence in responding to take the p!ss out of the information I gave you. The reason I am cross is because just now you falsely accused me of lying about my qualifications and background and then falsely claimed that I said I had studied physics for twelve years, when I have NEVER claimed to be a physicist and your own citation clearly stated five years, which is the fact of the matter. The only times I have mentioned any personal detail was because you asked for it. It seems your own aim was to somehow sneer at any answer on the pretext that you are an exposer of conspiracy theorists so you can be as insulting as you like. Please stop it.
I think we can interpret the above as Vixen saying she is not a physicist and has no qualifications or background in physics.

I was certainly a postgraduate when I was accepted on a postgraduate course with my professional body exempt from the foundation levels (and the degree has to be a relevant one, involving maths, science or economics). I graduated in psychology so I was a psychology postgraduate, as opposed to an undergraduate. As this was in the form of a chat forum I did not need to elaborate any further. The context was another poster lecturing me on how memory works so I simply pointed out that my dissertation was on memory.

This was factual. This was initiated by a poster claiming I was completely ignorant about how eyewitness testimony worked and how their memory tricked them. Nothing at all to do with me presenting myself as an expert first.
I think we can interpret the above as Vixen claiming to have completed an undergraduate degree in psychology, and hoping to convince us she has done postgraduate study in some possibly unrelated discipline, without attaining any real expertise.

Terms such as 'scientist' or 'postgraduate' are not protected terms so if you wish to dispute their usage you can but on the other hand there is nothing to stop you from describing yourself as a politics postgraduate if you went on to get a masters or PhD or MPhil in something else, as you wouldn't get on such a course if you did not have the relevant educational standard.
I think we can interpret the above as Vixen saying there is nothing to stop me from describing myself as a politics postgraduate, or philosophy postgraduate, or psychology postgraduate, or history postgraduate, or chemistry postgraduate, or any other kind of postgraduate, because after all that is the sort of thing she herself has been doing.

I have the official educational equivalent of two masters degrees.
I think we can interpret the above as Vixen telling us she has never completed any kind of postgraduate degree.

Actually, my professional qualifications are considered superior to a masters, according to the webpages. Sorry if that upsets you. Simply stating a fact.

But I agree comparing an academic to a chartered professional is a false equivalent because one takes just one or two years to achieve whilst the other needs three years hands-on vocational work experience plus up to fifteen tough exams to pass including case studies.
I think we can interpret the above as Vixen telling herself her professional qualifications are superior to the professional qualifications of those who have earned postgraduate degrees she herself has failed to earn.

Vixen said:
If it makes you feel better, imagine me as an airhead 'clerk' (as I have now been called).
I think we can interpret the above as Vixen hoping we will replace our true opinions of her by imagining her as an airhead 'clerk'.
 
Feel free to insult me to your heart's content. Have at it!

If you feel you're being insulted, report the post for moderation. Otherwise do not suggest as much for rhetorical effect.

I am not insulting you. As near as I can tell, Steve is not insulting you. He has made plain his intent in applying a descriptive label, and it is not to insult you. I have no stake in whether that label is appropriate; that's between you and him. However, I do have interest in whether you have represented his claim accurately. You have not.
 
I think we can interpret the above as Vixen saying she is not a physicist and has no qualifications or background in physics.

I have never claimed to be a physicist.

I think we can interpret the above as Vixen claiming to have completed an undergraduate degree in psychology, and hoping to convince us she has done postgraduate study in some possibly unrelated discipline, without attaining any real expertise.

It was not unrelated. I got exemptions because of the management, leadership and statistics elements of the psychology.


I think we can interpret the above as Vixen saying there is nothing to stop me from describing myself as a politics postgraduate, or philosophy postgraduate, or psychology postgraduate, or history postgraduate, or chemistry postgraduate, or any other kind of postgraduate, because after all that is the sort of thing she herself has been doing.

Nope, I have been completely truthful. Not my problem if it is hard to accept.

I think we can interpret the above as Vixen telling us she has never completed any kind of postgraduate degree.


I think we can interpret the above as Vixen telling herself her professional qualifications are superior to the professional qualifications of those who have earned postgraduate degrees she herself has failed to earn.

All in your mind.

I think we can interpret the above as Vixen hoping we will replace our true opinions of her by imagining her as an airhead 'clerk'.
 
If you feel you're being insulted, report the post for moderation. Otherwise do not suggest as much for rhetorical effect.

I am not insulting you. As near as I can tell, Steve is not insulting you. He has made plain his intent in applying a descriptive label, and it is not to insult you. I have no stake in whether that label is appropriate; that's between you and him. However, I do have interest in whether you have represented his claim accurately. You have not.

All I have done is to politely ask someone to not use ableist language and I explained why. You are free to carry on.

Are you his spokesperson? You should speak for yourself and not for other people.
 
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All I have done is to politely ask someone to not use ableist language and I explained why.

Restating your misconception does not rehabilitate it. You have accused people of insulting you. There is mechanism in this forum for dealing with insults. That is the appropriate remedy, not "polite requests" for rhetorical effect. If you are unwilling to submit those accusations to the proper authority for adjudication, I have no reason to believe they are in good faith.

Are you his spokesperson? You should speak for yourself and not for other people.

You are posting in a public forum. I will comment as I see appropriate.
 
I have never claimed to be a physicist.

Straw man. You claimed enough competence in physics to be able to endorse arguments that rely heavily on specialized physics and engineering knowledge. You offered the claim of "five years" of study in support of this. You subsequently demonstrated almost complete ignorance of basic principles of physics.

It was not unrelated. I got exemptions because of the management, leadership and statistics elements of the psychology.

Irrelevant. Your study following your bachelor's degree was not in psychology. It was accounting.

Nope, I have been completely truthful. Not my problem if it is hard to accept.

Your claims are hard to accept because they are inconsistent and do not conform to otherwise discoverable facts.

All in your mind.

No, that discussion happened literally today.

When questioned about your academic career, you proffered vocational certificates as equivalent to Master's degrees. Your claim was not about vocational qualifications or vocational aptitude, but academic achievement. That happened two pages ago.

You literally claimed your vocational certificates should be considered superior to Master's level academic degrees because they involved a longer program of study, more apt methods of instruction, and practical training. This too happened within a few hours' recent memory.

Your inability to remember such details or acknowledge them when reminded is perhaps what leads some to conclude you do not operate with a sound mind.
 
I have the official educational equivalent of two masters degrees.

I think we can interpret the above as Vixen telling us she has never completed any kind of postgraduate degree.

All in your mind.


Those who have earned a degree by completing a graduate program do not go around saying they "have the official educational equivalent of two masters degrees."

Actually, my professional qualifications are considered superior to a masters, according to the webpages. Sorry if that upsets you. Simply stating a fact.


The web pages you have cited do not mention your professional qualifications at all, nor do they assert that lacking a master's degree is in any way superior to holding a master's degree.

Your belief that your "professional qualifications are considered superior to a masters" is therefore a belief that resides within your own mind, and is unlikely to reside within other minds.
 
Let me put it this way. If I trip on the stair and you call me a 'spastic', is that acceptable? Likewise, you should be conscious that just because you are able-bodied, doesn't mean you can assume those who are not are less worthy as people. It is outrageous that you think it okay to use 'unsound mind' as a cheap insult.

Putting it in different ways changes nothing;

So how about that Luton fire that started in a diesel vehicle, huh.
 
All I have done is to politely ask someone to not use ableist language and I explained why. You are free to carry on.

Are you his spokesperson? You should speak for yourself and not for other people.

JayUtah is doing a fine job of understanding and explaining my position. That you refuse to understand it reflects only on you.
 
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