Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

[junkshop]

....The statement given by Mr. Hodgkinson was very clearly a prepared and carefully worded one. Each word chosen for a reason: he knew this is the statement that would be published in the national press and is the authorized one.

Correction: it was the authorised one. It has since been superceded, as well you know.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Note the word 'factual'.

Noted. You appear to be saying the alleged firefighter's alleged observation, (that the blazing car park resembled a lithium battery fire) had to be made anonymously because it was not factual.

 

[Vixen]

Anachronistic ********, and absolutely bugger all to do with the subject of this thread.

TLDR: some crap Vixen said, because she thought it sounded clever, and hoped it would distract everyone from her utter failure to back up any of her ludicrous claims.



ETA: Hmm... the TLDR was longer than the original. That's not how that's supposed to work, is it?

I can confirm that my employment contract at a City firm of accountants did indeed include the term, 'I shall serve the firm with fealty!' (or similar wording, including the exclamation mark). The head partner was some City of London chief and probably a head masons honcho, as well. They love this stuff!

Please can you now concentrate on the topic title and not on me to detract from the fact of the cause of the fire.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I wish I had never mentioned as I thought it was common knowledge. Having had to study all aspects of business and industry inside out, outside in, in every possible way, I stupidly failed to realise that this stuff is outside of the radar of most people and they have no need to know it.

We might all wish the same thing. The problem of course was with your own ignorance of the topic and not with that of your readers.

 

[Vixen]

Sure, "signing the official secrets act" is indeed a figure of speech.

Is there any chance of your acknowledging that people who work for the NHS are not required to (figuratively or literally) do this as you claimed?

They are under their own confidentiality clauses. A nurse still can't talk about what treatment she gave Brian, or if he or she did, no mainstream press will touch it, on their in-house lawyers' advice.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Please can you now concentrate on the topic title

Yes, certainly. A new, steel-framed car park partially collapsed after an initial fire in one diesel car spread to multiple vehicles on several floors.

 

[Vixen]

There you go again. You really ought to read what you post.


You claimed that anyone joining the NHS would be required to sign the Official Secrets Act.

Did you not note the word 'invariably'..? So your English comprehension is not as good as you constantly like to make out.

I have noticed that people tend to be blind as to what a conditional tense means. Terms such as 'It is believed', 'sometimes', 'invariably', 'if', would could should are all conditional. They do NOT also mean 'confirmed', which you keep claiming.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

They are under their own confidentiality clauses. A nurse still can't talk about what treatment she gave Brian, or if he or she did, no mainstream press will touch it, on their in-house lawyers' advice.

Do you have an in-house lawyer advising you to say all of those words instead of "yes"?

 

[Vixen]

Vixen, allow me to refresh your memory:






ETA: Ninja'd by Zooterkin. That's what you get for making a cup of tea halfway through posting.

Another one who is blind to the word, 'invariably'. Words are inserted for a reason.


Do read more carefully in future!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Did you not note the word 'invariably'..?

What about it? "Invariably" is not conditional. It means not variably, i.e. without exception, always.

Clever people know this, right?

 

[Vixen]

Noted. You appear to be saying the alleged firefighter's alleged observation, (that the blazing car park resembled a lithium battery fire) had to be made anonymously because it was not factual.

I am guessing he declined to give his name or asked for it to be withheld, or the reporter took the initiative, because he knew he could be sacked!

 

[Vixen]

What about it? "Invariably" is not conditional. It means not variably, i.e. without exception, always.

Clever people know this, right?

It is used in the same sense as 'hardly' or 'quite'. In effect, its use is ironic or imprecise, and not absolute, or one wouldn't need to qualify a statement with it.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I am guessing

Or half-remembering some comment you read somewhere and inventing an elaborate story around it to give it a semblance of authority.

 

[Steve]

I am guessing he declined to give his name or asked for it to be withheld, or the reporter took the initiative, because he knew he could be sacked!

The common concept behind all these conspiracy threads. Except of course where actual lies are posted.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It is used in the same sense as 'hardly' or 'quite'. In effect, its use is ironic or imprecise, and not absolute, or one wouldn't need to qualify a statement with it.

Ah. Well in British English we use "invariably" to mean "always" and it is used for emphasis, not the opposite.

 

[Vixen]

Yes, certainly. A new, steel-framed car park partially collapsed after an initial fire in one diesel car spread to multiple vehicles on several floors.

Yes, and as a factual example of how rapidly a lithium-ion fire spreads, it is confirmed that the recent fire at Gatwick North Terminal and which took out eleven vehicles was an EV. Any car within a few metres of such an 'accidental ignition' is also likely to ignite owing to the sheer outward force of the lithium-ion flames.

 

[Vixen]

Ah. Well in British English we use "invariably" to mean "always" and it is used for emphasis, not the opposite.

Yes, but not absolutely always. It allows for exceptions.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... the recent fire at Gatwick North Terminal and which took out eleven vehicles was an EV.

Only eleven? Not as impressive as 1,500. Puny fire.

 

[Steve]

It is always a sad thing when Humpty-Dumptyisms intrude on a thread discussion.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Yes, but not absolutely always. It allows for exceptions.

Maybe that's what it meant at your school. Elsewhere it is synonymous with "always" and emphasises that exceptions do not occur, not that they might occur.