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Merged $25,000 Spent on programes that made things worse./Woke kindergarten

This is a bit off topic but a few years back the CEO's of Facebook and Microsoft and maybe Google I think bought a ton of computers for primary schools with the expectation that they would move to that from worksheets. I hated that because they rewarded the kid more for screwing off than doing the work and since it was on computer it was very hard to help them with their homework. I don't think the kids retained very much and as a result, I believe my daughter suffered. I did do a bunch of programs with her to get her caught up but she didn't keep it up. Too easy to wander off and go play games.
 
Meanwhile the planet is going to hell as we continue to trash it and what is everybody doing to stop it? Nothing. We're all so worried about 'more important' things like 'woke' kindergartens that the really important stuff is ignored. But that's humans for you. We think we are so smart...

We can multi-task.

Anyways

Concerned teacher Tiger Craven-Neeley has been (temporarily?) excommunicated from the cult.
 
The person advocating this position has literally made Woke their brand name.


And they are a literal cliche, which is one of the issues I have with the whole Woke project, they want people to become their stereotypes.
 
We can multi-task.
Problem with the word 'can' is that if nobody actually does it then we effectively can't.

I bet the people getting their knickers in a twist about 'wokeness' are also avoiding doing anything to halt global warming, because preventing the planet from turning into an ecological hellhole isn't a priority for them. Many of them would actually help the World burn just to piss off 'woke' liberals.
 
Problem with the word 'can' is that if nobody actually does it then we effectively can't.

I bet the people getting their knickers in a twist about 'wokeness' are also avoiding doing anything to halt global warming, because preventing the planet from turning into an ecological hellhole isn't a priority for them. Many of them would actually help the World burn just to piss off 'woke' liberals.

I can. Look, see, I'm doing it right now. I just posted a tough hard hitting question on the Global Warming thread and now I'm here to announce that it's possible to bee to woke, even for San Fransisco.

California school terminates contract with controversial 'Woke Kindergarten' program

Now back to saving the planet.
 
Problem with the word 'can' is that if nobody actually does it then we effectively can't.

I bet the people getting their knickers in a twist about 'wokeness' are also avoiding doing anything to halt global warming, because preventing the planet from turning into an ecological hellhole isn't a priority for them. Many of them would actually help the World burn just to piss off 'woke' liberals.

This thread isn't about climate change. It also isn't about people who don't do anything about climate change. It's not even about 'woke', the right-wing boogeyman that isn't real and never happens and doesn't mean anything.

This thread is about Woke: the very real progressive ideology and epistemology, that is ahistorical, anti-science, an extremely bigoted. It's about how progressives don't disavow this ideology, but wear it proudly on their sleeve. It's about how some progressives package it as a grift, and sell it to other progressives who are too ideologically blinded to understand the mistakes they're making. It's about how these ideologically-blinded progressives are in our government, responsible for our childrens' education, spending our money to promote bankrupt and anti-social paradigms.

Stop trying to change the subject.
 
This thread isn't about climate change. It also isn't about people who don't do anything about climate change. It's not even about 'woke', the right-wing boogeyman that isn't real and never happens and doesn't mean anything.

This thread is about Woke: the very real progressive ideology and epistemology, that is ahistorical, anti-science, an extremely bigoted. It's about how progressives don't disavow this ideology, but wear it proudly on their sleeve. It's about how some progressives package it as a grift, and sell it to other progressives who are too ideologically blinded to understand the mistakes they're making. It's about how these ideologically-blinded progressives are in our government, responsible for our childrens' education, spending our money to promote bankrupt and anti-social paradigms.

Stop trying to change the subject.

I don't think there is anything you can do as a parent except pull your kids out of government schools and homeschool them.

The benefit/cost calculus just isn't there for trying to change the system vs just educating your own kids.

Yesterday we had a meeting with the Dean, Associate Dean, and some faculty at the University's Engineering program. Our son was admitted to the University in what would have been his 7th grade year. He's in his third semester now getting straight A's and we're mapping out the strategy for finishing out his program at such a young age. It looks like he will graduate college before his cohorts graduate high school. He's not even high school age yet.

That was only possible because we homeschooled him.

Although we homeschooled, we follow the local schools closely - a lot more so than parents that actually warehouse their kids in those abysmal places.

They have a DEI committee that has spent two years now going through every class, every reading, every student activity, and every sport to make sure the woke agenda permeates every hour of school. DEI is front and center in their strategic plan. But graduating kids that can do math or write well - nope.

There is nothing effective we can do against the billions of dollars and all the government, media, and institutional horsepower behind it. Whereas every hour we have spent with our kids has produced irreplaceable value.

There is a wholesale flight from the government schools here. The local K-8 has gone from over 120 to around 30 now. They say it is more, but we sat outside the school on the day of the official count and there were 33. Three schools in town closed last year and one of them is now a homeschool administrative building. Homeschool is exploding.

I think you just have to let them win the Darwin Award. Let them go extinct.
 
Some of the "Woke Wonderings" at the website:

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I wonder... if there's any educational value to teaching these sorts of complex concepts to children who can't read and write? I get that it allows radical teachers to talk about all sorts of stuff that interests them, but how are you going to engage second-graders with arguments about the Supreme Court and Israel?

Well, when you've got six people sitting on the bench of the highest court in the land who are giving every indication that they would be ok with the verdicts in the White Rose trial, then your first quote is a legitimate question to ask.
 
I don't think there is anything you can do as a parent except pull your kids out of government schools and homeschool them.

The benefit/cost calculus just isn't there for trying to change the system vs just educating your own kids.

Yesterday we had a meeting with the Dean, Associate Dean, and some faculty at the University's Engineering program. Our son was admitted to the University in what would have been his 7th grade year. He's in his third semester now getting straight A's and we're mapping out the strategy for finishing out his program at such a young age. It looks like he will graduate college before his cohorts graduate high school. He's not even high school age yet.

That was only possible because we homeschooled him.

Although we homeschooled, we follow the local schools closely - a lot more so than parents that actually warehouse their kids in those abysmal places.

They have a DEI committee that has spent two years now going through every class, every reading, every student activity, and every sport to make sure the woke agenda permeates every hour of school. DEI is front and center in their strategic plan. But graduating kids that can do math or write well - nope.

There is nothing effective we can do against the billions of dollars and all the government, media, and institutional horsepower behind it. Whereas every hour we have spent with our kids has produced irreplaceable value.

There is a wholesale flight from the government schools here. The local K-8 has gone from over 120 to around 30 now. They say it is more, but we sat outside the school on the day of the official count and there were 33. Three schools in town closed last year and one of them is now a homeschool administrative building. Homeschool is exploding.

I think you just have to let them win the Darwin Award. Let them go extinct.

I would suggest that advocating for an outcome that is statistically a lot worse than even the US's massively underfunded and grossly mismanaged public school system (because of racism) is not a good idea.

Yes, your children did well from it, but that's because in statistics terms you and your families are massive outliers. The most typical US family is not going to have the knowledge, time or resources to even begin to teach their children properly at home,even if they try to do so (most homeschooled kids aren't being taught, they're being propogandised).
 
I would suggest that advocating for an outcome that is statistically a lot worse than even the US's massively underfunded and grossly mismanaged public school system (because of racism) is not a good idea.

Grossly mismanaged by whom? It seems the more lefty the place the worse the result. Even when lots and lots of taxpayer money is spent. But at least public school students in Illinois know the 100 genders and that white people bad.

Illinois education 2022: Not a single student can do math at grade level in 53 schools. For reading, it’s 30 schools – Wirepoints
 
Woke KinderGarten?

Its a real thing and I can't imagine how anyone thought this wouldn't cause trouble.

https://www.wokekindergarten.org/

It's basically Chris Rufo's fever dream and some school district in CA caused a stir by giving them 250K.


Obviously, I disagree with everything this organization believes on the other hand, I can't believe they called themselves Woke Kindergarten. They are wrong about most things but are they really that stupid?
 
I would suggest that advocating for an outcome that is statistically a lot worse than even the US's massively underfunded and grossly mismanaged public school system (because of racism) is not a good idea.

Yes, your children did well from it, but that's because in statistics terms you and your families are massive outliers. The most typical US family is not going to have the knowledge, time or resources to even begin to teach their children properly at home,even if they try to do so (most homeschooled kids aren't being taught, they're being propogandised).

This is a great example of common ignorance regarding American schools.

The US spends more per pupil than almost every other nation in the world.
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/5e4ecc25-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/5e4ecc25-en
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd/education-expenditures-by-country
1 country (Ireland) had lower elementary/secondary expenditures per FTE student ($10,000) than the average of OECD countries.

The other common misconception is that our schools funding is very different depending on where you live. Not really true as most school funding comes from the states and is based on the number of students. There's also federal funding based on the number of students. Local properties taxes make up the rest and its not a big difference anymore.

Also, there's basically no correlation between spending on education and educational outcomes.

Side note, actually related to the topic. WTF? How could someone name there education program Woke Kindergarten, Its a white racists fever dream of what's going on in education? Seriously, WTF?
Also, when you look at this anti-capitalist for profit business's website, it reads like a white racist's fever dream of AOC. WTF?
 
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I was already of the opinion that "woke" was bull ****, but this thread has convinced me that "woke" is bull **** no matter who is using the word, and whether they think it's a good thing or not.

It's a poisoned word. Every person who uses it unironically, bar none, has something up their ****.
 
I was already of the opinion that "woke" was bull ****, but this thread has convinced me that "woke" is bull **** no matter who is using the word, and whether they think it's a good thing or not.

It's a poisoned word. Every person who uses it unironically, bar none, has something up their ****.

You're spouting nonsense. The progressive ideology and epistemology, proudly called woke by progressives, is real. It's real bull ****. When conservatives denounce "woke" it's this real bull **** that they're denouncing. The idea that conservatives are talking about some boogeyman of their own invention is gaslighting from the actual wokesters.
 

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