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Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

Samson said:
My sense is media matters is lock step with disinformation
Projects.
Who are against free speech.
500k to Jacinda Ardern annually to continue her vendetta against questioners of Islam is a classic example.
I believe Musk. I believe he wants more speech not less speech.
Speech is the 4th singularity, let us be excited by it prior to succumbing to the Taliban, Xi Peng, Putin and so on.
I am convinced Musk is at the other end of the see saw.
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How does it feel to be in a cult and having to proselytize for it and getting no interest?
 
Samson said:
My sense is media matters is lock step with disinformation
Projects.
Who are against free speech.
500k to Jacinda Ardern annually to continue her vendetta against questioners of Islam is a classic example.
I believe Musk. I believe he wants more speech not less speech.Speech is the 4th singularity, let us be excited by it prior to succumbing to the Taliban, Xi Peng, Putin and so on.
I am convinced Musk is at the other end of the see saw.
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Then why does he want to shutdown Media Matters' free speech if he is an advocate for free speech? (Remember they did nothing illegal, and his lawsuit acknowledges the screengrabs were accurate and not faked in any way.)
 
Samson said:
Musk sued them when he assembled evidence it was creative association of Nazi material with the big advertisers. Presumably the case will be heard, he will be found wrong or right.
It is an interesting case, meat and drink for this forum.
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Samson said:
My sense is media matters is lock step with disinformation
Projects.
Who are against free speech.
500k to Jacinda Ardern annually to continue her vendetta against questioners of Islam is a classic example.
I believe Musk. I believe he wants more speech not less speech.
Speech is the 4th singularity, let us be excited by it prior to succumbing to the Taliban, Xi Peng, Putin and so on.
I am convinced Musk is at the other end of the see saw.
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:rolleyes:
The hypocrisy.....
 
Samson said:
My sense is media matters is lock step with disinformation.
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Is your sense based on facts? Or are we playing a game of Community Rorschach, where we blurt whatever random thought that comes to mind?

In other words, your presentation appears to be fact-free.
 
Darat said:
Why does he want to shutdown Media Matters free speech if he is an advocate for free speech. His legal suit admits the screen grabs were not faked.

Again his actual actions rather than his words demonstrate his words are lies.
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Because he's fine with all forms of free speech except those he disagrees with or hit him in the pocket book.
 
Samson said:
It is an interesting case, meat and drink for this forum.
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Honestly? Not particularly. As far as interesting goes, the most interesting part about it is how unreasonable it is. IIRC, it involves court shopping in ways that violate policy and the case itself is a farce. The only way it actually gets anywhere is by taking advantage of Republican anti-free speech efforts.
 
angrysoba said:
But he is not Jewish.



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Honestly, he sounds like a moron for saying stuff like this. Was he "somewhat naive", and did he "see no antisemitism"? He explicitly endorsed explicitly anti-semitic claims about the machinations of the Jews. To then say he is "aspirationally Jewish" probably doesn't do Jews many favours does it?
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I think you are saying he is making the mistake of digging his way out of a hole. If so, this is a fairly human response, and not necessarily morally reprehensible. I think he made big mistakes with the pedophile caving accusation. With the seeming anti semite tweet, I think it is clear he left out some steps in reasoning that he held in his head. I do it often, and it gets me in trouble, so I have some empathy for that.
 
Samson said:
I think you are saying he is making the mistake of digging his way out of a hole. If so, this is a fairly human response, and not necessarily morally reprehensible. I think he made big mistakes with the pedophile caving accusation. With the seeming anti semite tweet, I think it is clear he left out some steps in reasoning that he held in his head. I do it often, and it gets me in trouble, so I have some empathy for that.
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No! I am saying he is not Jewish even though you stated he was as if it were a fact.

It’s also weird to say he is aspirationally Jewish, like if he had gone round saying he wished he was black or Chinese.
 
angrysoba said:
No! I am saying he is not Jewish even though you stated he was as if it were a fact.

It’s also weird to say he is aspirationally Jewish, like if he had gone round saying he wished he was black or Chinese.
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People need not aspire to be Jewish without satisfaction. They can go to a synagogue, talk to a Rabbi, and begin the educational process of converting to Judaism. While that religion doesn't place the same priority on evangelism as others, they're happy to get sincere converts.
 
Babbylonian said:
People need not aspire to be Jewish without satisfaction. They can go to a synagogue, talk to a Rabbi, and begin the educational process of converting to Judaism. While that religion doesn't place the same priority on evangelism as others, they're happy to get sincere converts.
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True. He could convert. If that’s what he’s talking about. On the other hand, it seems rather that he’s saying he wants to be like the Jews. You know what Jews are like, right? He has an essentialist view of them, which sounds almost a bit anti-Semitic.
 
angrysoba said:
No! I am saying he is not Jewish even though you stated he was as if it were a fact.

It’s also weird to say he is aspirationally Jewish, like if he had gone round saying he wished he was black or Chinese.
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And there has never been anything stopping him becoming Jewish so if it is his aspiration to become Jewish he seems to be taking a long time to start the process.
 
Samson said:
My sense is media matters is lock step with disinformation
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I have a simple proposal for you. You might learn something from it.

List a few instances of Media Matters saying something that's indisputably false, and which they didn't retract. Quote the false statements and provide links to the false statements. If the examples are unrelated to Musk/X, start a new thread.

If you're unable to find examples, that suggests that your criticisms are off base, in which case you should retract. Otherwise you'd be in lock step with disinformation.
 
varwoche said:
I have a simple proposal for you. You might learn something from it.

List a few instances of Media Matters saying something that's indisputably false, and which they didn't retract. Quote the false statements and provide links to the false statements. If the examples are unrelated to Musk/X, start a new thread.

If you're unable to find examples, that suggests that your criticisms are off base, in which case you should retract. Otherwise you'd be in lock step with disinformation.
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I will be interested in the court case.
From memory, Musk says media matters constructively associated his tweet with nazi propaganda, and thus caused X substantial commercial loss.
 
Samson said:
I will be interested in the court case.
From memory, Musk says media matters constructively associated his tweet with nazi propaganda, and thus caused X substantial commercial loss.
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:rolleyes:
I take it this roll of wallpaper words means that you are unable to provide examples to support your assertion that "My sense is media matters is lock step with disinformation"?
:rolleyes:
 
Only losers try to beat free speech with a lawsuit. A true badass would beat the free speech with more free speech. Really free speech it up in here. Free speech those companies into giving you money. Free speech them into ******* submission!
 
Olmstead said:
Only losers try to beat free speech with a lawsuit. A true badass would beat the free speech with more free speech. Really free speech it up in here. Free speech those companies into giving you money. Free speech them into ******* submission!
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Heh, you seem right on to it.
Good to find a true friend in these parts.
 
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