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All Hail Taylor Swift, Person of the Year!

Darn, I opened this thread hoping to see the big news, that Taylor Swift will be going to the Super Bowl!!!!

Don't tell me the NFL isn't fixed....
 
pgwenthold said:
Darn, I opened this thread hoping to see the big news, that Taylor Swift will be going to the Super Bowl!!!!

Don't tell me the NFL isn't fixed....
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Yeah, the NFL fixed the game. They caused the three Ravens turnovers. One, a foot away from the end zone.
 
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Ivor the Engineer said:
Carbon offsetting is a fig leaf for the excesses of the wealthy.
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Like the IPCC. I agree, but better to have a fig leaf than just let it rip

Ivor the Engineer said:
I've read about her from other sources too. As I said before, she comes from wealth and that was a great help to her music career.
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Paris Hilton's parents are billionaires. It didn't help her career much.

Ivor the Engineer said:
Why does she need to maintain that career? She's worth between $800million to $1billion.
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Unlike Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison and many other billionaires, Taylor Swift does some very good work on very good causes. She alienated a lot of her core support by coming out pro-LGBT, anti-Trump and other positions, but did it anyway.

Ivor the Engineer said:
Unlike most humans she could spend the rest of her time on this planet trying to do the least harm to it as possible. Instead she does what so many other ultra-wealthy people do and uses her wealth to consume vastly more than a single person's fair share of the earth's resources.

What standard should we expect for people with such vast resources with regards to climate change?

But please, continue rooting for the anti-hero!
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Jealousy is such an ugly emotion.
 
acbytesla said:
She doesn't. Nor do a lot of wealthy people. But she enjoys what she does and a lot of people want to see her do it. I use more fuel per passenger mile commuting to work every day than she does flying herself and a few bandmates on her plane.

Compare this to Donald Trump in his 757. It burns more than ten times the fuel per hour than Swift's Dassault.

Now why exactly is Taylor Swift the anti-hero?
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Exactly how many private jets and land does one person need? From where I'm standing her behaviour is hard to distinguish from most other ultra-wealthy people.

Is it possible to be successful in the music business without doing world tours? (Hint: you may have heard of a little band called The Beatles) There is nothing stopping her becoming a recording artist and making money from streaming (if she feels she needs more money)

Better person than Donald Trump is hardly a high bar to set!

She literally is telling us to stop idolising her, yet here you all are making excuses for an ultra-wealthy person's ridiculous excesses. I suspect this is a case of the Halo Effect.
 
The Atheist said:
Like the IPCC. I agree, but better to have a fig leaf than just let it rip
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There are things called hotels. You can stay in them when you are away from home. While not great environmentally, they're a lot better than owning and flying home in one of two private jets.

Paris Hilton's parents are billionaires. It didn't help her career much.
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So? Clearly Taylor Swift has talent and ability as a song writer and performer. However, so have a lot of other people who don't have parents who can relocate to support their child's dreams of music industry success.

Unlike Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison and many other billionaires, Taylor Swift does some very good work on very good causes. She alienated a lot of her core support by coming out pro-LGBT, anti-Trump and other positions, but did it anyway.
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You can feel okay about the extreme excesses of your lifestyle so long as you bung a few quid to the sick and unfortunate and call out people with zero ethical principles. Are we supposed to be impressed?

Jealousy is such an ugly emotion.
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I'm not jealous. I have all I need and want in life.

I think Taylor Swift has an excellent PR team and is probably an okay person (as far as humans go). But she's no role model of how to behave, as she repeatedly tell us in her songs.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
Is it possible to be successful in the music business without doing world tours? (Hint: you may have heard of a little band called The Beatles)
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Okay, point 1: international air travel is now a lot cheaper and easier than it was in the mid-60s. Point 2: in 1964, the Beatles toured Denmark, the Netherlands, Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the United States, and Canada. In 1965, they went to France, Italy, Spain, and back to the US and Canada. They hit Germany, Japan and the Philippines in 1966. So they didn't exactly not tour the world.
 
arthwollipot said:
Okay, point 1: international air travel is now a lot cheaper and easier than it was in the mid-60s. Point 2: in 1964, the Beatles toured Denmark, the Netherlands, Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the United States, and Canada. In 1965, they went to France, Italy, Spain, and back to the US and Canada. They hit Germany, Japan and the Philippines in 1966. So they didn't exactly not tour the world.
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And let's be honest, the economics of the music industry is dramatically different than it was in the 1960s and 1970s.

Still, I can point to multiple world tours by CSNY, Rolling Stones, the Beach Boys, the Eagles, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Queen, Pink Floyd, the Grateful Dead, Abba, Elton John, Paul Simon, ACDC, Earth Wind and Fire, KISS, David Bowie, Madonna, Springsteen, the Clash, Van Halen, Ozzie Osborne, Garth Brooks, etc.

The list goes on and on and on.
 
Vivek Ramaswamy, who briefly had some decent polling numbers in the runup to the Republican primaries, thinks the NFL has the fix in. The Chiefs will win, Kelse will propose to Taylor Swift in the postgame ceremonies, and the new power couple will endorse Joe Biden, thereby ensuring his win.

Of course there are quite a few problems with this theory, starting with the notion that the NFL is rigged. This is a huge and valuable corporation that basically prints money. They don't have to rig things. Somebody at the bar tonight suggested that the league didn't want Baltimore vs Detroit, but let's be real; is there a reason the league wanted Kansas City to be a top team for the last decade, as compared to huge markets like New York or Chicago?

And the liability issues now that the league has partnered with gambling sites would be insane if the NFL were found to be guilty of choosing winners and losers.

Bringing it back to Taylor Swift reveals another absurdity in this theory. She's probably the one person on the planet who doesn't need the spotlight of the Super Bowl to make a presidential endorsement meaningful. If she announced that she was going to make that speech at 3:00AM on a Sunday night in June, you know it would be televised on dozens of channels, and be the top headline in most newspapers.

And there is some argument that she could change things just by an endorsement.

In a poll conducted by Redfield & Wilton Strategies for Newsweek, 18 percent of voters say they're 'more likely' or 'significantly more likely' to vote for a candidate endorsed by Taylor Swift.
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Obvious caveat; I suspect most of that 18% is already on Biden's side. Still if she could really move the needle even by a percentage point it could end up being decisive.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Okay, point 1: international air travel is now a lot cheaper and easier than it was in the mid-60s. Point 2: in 1964, the Beatles toured Denmark, the Netherlands, Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the United States, and Canada. In 1965, they went to France, Italy, Spain, and back to the US and Canada. They hit Germany, Japan and the Philippines in 1966. So they didn't exactly not tour the world.
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...and then they stopped and became a recording band.

If anything the modern world allows people to become wealthy and famous while never leaving their living room.

It's only if you want to become insanely wealthy that you have to be prepared to ****-over the planet and environment and hire PR people to greenwash your image.
 
The thing about a private jet is, it saves time. Since time is one of the few resources that is absolutely not renewable, it makes sense that some of the people that can afford one choose to get one. Like they say, "amateurs study t-shirt concessions; professionals study logistics".
 
theprestige said:
The thing about a private jet is, it saves time. Since time is one of the few resources that is absolutely not renewable, it makes sense that some of the people that can afford one choose to get one. Like they say, "amateurs study t-shirt concessions; professionals study logistics".
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She could save even more time by just taking up a residency, and then having her fans fly to her... probably not saving any CO2 emissions that way though.
 
lobosrul5 said:
She could save even more time by just taking up a residency, and then having her fans fly to her... probably not saving any CO2 emissions that way though.
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Nobody saves time just to save time. The point is to spend less time doing things you don't want to do, so that you can have more time to do the things you do want to do.
 
lobosrul5 said:
She could save even more time by just taking up a residency, and then having her fans fly to her... probably not saving any CO2 emissions that way though.
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Exactly.

Performing artists do that in Vegas and Bransom for example. Either way, someone is getting on a jet and burning fuel. Seems to me, (although maybe I haven't thought this through entirely) that making fans travel results in more wasted fuel and more co2. After all, 20,000 fans driving to respective airports and flying to destinations must burn more fuel than say 10 performers and support staff flying to the destinations.
 
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