Why I should vote for Trump?

[Stacyhs]

There is a surprisingly large number of people who believe that on the desk of the US president are two dials: one labelled "Economy" that can be turned to "Good" or "Bad", and the other is "Gas Prices" which can be "High" or "Low".

Don't forget the "Inflation" buttons: one has an 'up' arrow and one has a 'down' arrow.

 

[sinnikal]

"Before the China virus invaded our shores" is a pretty fair clue to the nonsense within the document.

 

[Mongrel]

Something like that.

^^Should be noted that the GOP has been fighting Biden tooth and nail on doing anything that might improve gas prices. They'll blame him for the high gas prices while at the same time helping the oil companies keep those prices high.

And didn't Fox go on a tear when gas prices were going down?

 

[Emily's Cat]

What's the point of this entire thread?

There are only a very, very few people on this site who actually support Trump. The overwhelming majority of us think Trump is a pile of poo - even if we also think Biden is a pile of poo too. It seems like the intention is to join hands with fellow anti-Trumpsters for a few days of unbridled hate.

 

[Hercules56]

What's the point of this entire thread?

There are only a very, very few people on this site who actually support Trump. The overwhelming majority of us think Trump is a pile of poo - even if we also think Biden is a pile of poo too. It seems like the intention is to join hands with fellow anti-Trumpsters for a few days of unbridled hate.

What's your point?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I've already explained in my post to Brainster that I was being sarcastic, as you were as well, and I never claimed you did.



Which was unintentional on my part so I provided you with a correct one. And it wasn't just empty toilet paper shelves.



Yep, those photos were from 2014. They were posted and wrongly attributed by the Arizona Republic newspaper. Trump was correct about that, but he was also lying when he tweeted:


That policy was passed in May, 2018, under HIS administration.







Stating that Trump is a psychopath, a pathological liar and has a frail little ego is not TDS: it's simple truth.

Dr. Lance Dodes, Harvard Medical School professor of psychiatry:


That's pretty evident!
"Psychopaths are often pathological liars, have very high self-estimation*, are impulsive and fail to regulate and take responsibility for their behaviours."

*"Narcissists may seem to love themselves, but a new study finds that narcissistic self-aggrandizement may hide deep feelings of inferiority."

Gee, just who does THAT sound like?

Do you dispute that Trump is a pathological liar as evidenced by the incredible number of documented and proven lies he's told? Do you dispute that he's a narcissist with a tiny little ego that must be boosted constantly with self-aggrandizing claims and the need to attack anyone who disparages him in any way?

I'd be careful citing Harvard folks. They seem to be quite compromised regarding ethics and the like.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

To begin with, one should examine this list of accomplishments with a hafty dose of salt.
Just like everything involving Trump, many of these claims are not just spin, but outright fabrications. Trump lied about everything throughout his entire life. So it should hardly be a surprise that his administration would also lie about its accomplishments.

By all means, please feel free to point out which of Trump's claimed accomplishments are fabrications. I don't like being lied to about accomplishments, so it may influence my vote if you are correct.

 

[Stacyhs]

I'd be careful citing Harvard folks. They seem to be quite compromised regarding ethics and the like.

Does anyone else see the irony in this statement?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

There is a surprisingly large number of people who believe that on the desk of the US president are two dials: one labelled "Economy" that can be turned to "Good" or "Bad", and the other is "Gas Prices" which can be "High" or "Low".

It's not really a "button" per say, but more like a "pen", whereby thru the use of this "pen" a new President can sign and create new Executive Orders and also negate a prior President's Executive Orders. The new President can move the US from being a net energy exporter, back to relying on energy imports thereby increasing energy costs to US citizens across the board. He can allow the EPA to increase regulation of coal, oil and gas production in order to achieve the desired outcome. This equates to raising prices with the rules of supply and demand.

Later if these EO's come back to bite him during election years, a new President can fast track market prices by releasing oil from the National Reserve. Of course it helps if you have an army of supporters on Social Media claiming there's no way the President can affect oil prices when they're high, then taking credit for low gas prices when they're not. See how that works?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Does anyone else see the irony in this statement?



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They're likely blinded by the confirmation bias on display.

 

[lobosrul5]

It's not really a "button" per say, but more like a "pen", whereby thru the use of this "pen" a new President can sign and create new Executive Orders and also negate a prior President's Executive Orders. The new President can move the US from being a net energy exporter, back to relying on energy imports thereby increasing energy costs to US citizens across the board. He can allow the EPA to increase regulation of coal, oil and gas production in order to achieve the desired outcome. This equates to raising prices with the rules of supply and demand.

Later if these EO's come back to bite him during election years, a new President can fast track market prices by releasing oil from the National Reserve. Of course it helps if you have an army of supporters on Social Media claiming there's no way the President can affect oil prices when they're high, then taking credit for low gas prices when they're not. See how that works?

Yes, he maybe could do that. Biden hasn't done that though.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mttntus2&f=m

 

[Emily's Cat]

What's your point?

I thought that 1984 was a cautionary tale, not a handbook. Two minutes of hate isn't a good thing, and making a thread for the whole purpose of getting that hate-on is something I think reasonable and civil people shouldn't support.

 

[Stacyhs]

By all means, please feel free to point out which of Trump's claimed accomplishments are fabrications.

Ok. Here ya go:

TRUMP: “We passed VA Choice.” — address Tuesday.

THE FACTS: No, he did not get the Choice program passed. President Barack Obama did. Trump expanded it. The program allows veterans to get medical care outside the Veterans Affairs system under certain conditions. Trump has tried to take credit for Obama’s achievement scores of times.

TRUMP: “We also got tax cuts, the largest tax cut and reform in the history of our country by far.” — remarks Wednesday.

TRUMP: “We passed the largest package of tax cuts and reforms in American history.” — address Tuesday.

THE FACTS: His tax cuts are not close to the biggest in U.S. history.

It’s a $1.5 trillion tax cut over 10 years. As a share of the total economy, a tax cut of that size ranks 12th, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. President Ronald Reagan’s 1981 cut is the biggest, followed by the 1945 rollback of taxes that had financed World War II.

Post-Reagan tax cuts also stand among the historically significant: President George W. Bush’s cuts in the early 2000s and Obama’s renewal of them a decade later.

TRUMP: “We have the greatest economy in the world.” — remarks Wednesday.

TRUMP: “We also built the greatest economy in the history of the world.” — address Tuesday.

THE FACTS: No, the numbers show it wasn’t the greatest in U.S. history. And he is the first president since Herbert Hoover in the Depression to leave office with fewer jobs than when he started.

Did the U.S. have the most jobs on record before the pandemic? Sure, the population had grown. The 3.5% unemployment rate before the recession was at a half-century low, but the percentage of people working or searching for jobs was still below a 2000 peak.

Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Romer looked at Trump’s economic growth record. Growth under Trump averaged 2.48% annually before the pandemic, only slightly better than the 2.41% gains achieved during Obama’s second term. By contrast, the economic expansion that began in 1982 during Reagan’s presidency averaged 4.2% a year.

TRUMP: “We reignited America’s job creation and achieved record-low unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, women — almost everyone.” — address Tuesday.

THE FACTS: Not an ignition. Job creation actually slowed in 2017, Trump’s first year in office, to about 2 million, compared with nearly 2.5 million in 2016, Obama’s last year in office.

The low unemployment rates refer to a pre-pandemic economy that is no more. The pandemic has cost the U.S. economy 10 million jobs and has made Trump the first president since Hoover to oversee a net loss of jobs. The U.S. has about 2.8 million fewer jobs now than when Trump was inaugurated, and lost 140,000 just in December. And the job losses have fallen disproportionately on Black Americans, Hispanics and women.

TRUMP: “We rebuilt the American manufacturing base, opened up thousands of new factories, and brought back the beautiful phrase Made in the USA.” — address Tuesday.

THE FACTS: That’s a stretch. There are now 60,000 fewer manufacturing jobs in the U.S. than when Trump took office. Despite gains before the pandemic, the manufacturing base had not exactly been “rebuilt.”

Before the coronavirus, nearly 500,000 manufacturing jobs were added under Trump, somewhat better than the nearly 400,000 gained during Obama’s second term. Still, even before the pandemic, the U.S. had 4.3 million fewer factory jobs than it did in 2001, the year China joined the World Trade Organization and a flood of cheaper imports from that country entered the U.S.

TRUMP: “We obliterated the ISIS caliphate.” — address Tuesday.

THE FACTS: His suggestion of a 100% defeat is misleading as the Islamic State group still poses a threat.

I suggest you read this: The Islamic State in 2023: Threat Levels and Repatriation Questions

TRUMP: “We imposed historic and monumental tariffs on China. ... Our trade relationship was rapidly changing, billions and billions of dollars were pouring into the U.S., but the virus forced us to go in a different direction.” — address Tuesday.

THE FACTS: That’s a familiar assertion, false to the core.

It’s false to suggest the U.S. never collected tariffs on Chinese goods before he took action. Tariffs on Chinese goods are simply higher in some cases than they were before. It’s also wrong to suggest that the tariffs are being paid by China.

Tariff money coming into the government’s coffers is mainly from U.S. businesses and consumers, not from China. Tariffs are primarily if not entirely a tax paid domestically

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I don't like being lied to about accomplishments, so it may influence my vote if you are correct.

Sure. Sure it will.

 

[Stacyhs]

They're likely blinded by the confirmation bias on display.

I asked if anyone else noticed the irony in your statement. If they're 'blinded' and therefore can't see it, then the confirmation bias wouldn't be by those who can see it. Try again. On second thought, don't bother. It'll just be more of the same.

 

[Stacyhs]

I thought that 1984 was a cautionary tale, not a handbook. Two minutes of hate isn't a good thing, and making a thread for the whole purpose of getting that hate-on is something I think reasonable and civil people shouldn't support.

You're free not to read or participate.

 

[steenkh]

What's the point of this entire thread?

There are only a very, very few people on this site who actually support Trump. The overwhelming majority of us think Trump is a pile of poo - even if we also think Biden is a pile of poo too. It seems like the intention is to join hands with fellow anti-Trumpsters for a few days of unbridled hate.

For me the point of this thread is to get acquainted with how Trump supporters argue, instead of reading how Trump opponents think Trump supporters argue.

 

[acbytesla]

The new President can move the US from being a net energy exporter, back to relying on energy imports thereby increasing energy costs to US citizens across the board

Yes, he maybe could do that. Biden hasn't done that though.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mttntus2&f=m

Why exactly do you think it would be better if the US exported its oil? Maybe it is better for Americans that we didn't.

I would argue if we are really interested in helping America, we would save these resources for ourselves. That it would be better if we diversify our energy portfolio so we are less dependent on a single energy source.

People complain about high gas prices. Me too. But as long as the oil companies lack competition, they will milk our tits for every dollar they can.

 

[Stacyhs]

I'd be careful citing Harvard folks. They seem to be quite compromised regarding ethics and the like.

I see you've failed to answer my questions. Why is that?

Do you dispute that Trump is a pathological liar as evidenced by the incredible number of documented and proven lies he's told? Do you dispute that he's a narcissist with a tiny little ego that must be boosted constantly with self-aggrandizing claims and the need to attack anyone who disparages him in any way?

 

[angrysoba]

What's the point of this entire thread?

The OP is clear...

Here is your chance Trump supporters. Tell us what Trump promised and accomplished as President. How he improved your lives and the lives of your countrymen. What made his Presidency better than Biden's. Why the future of this country and the world will be better by going back to Trump.

There are only a very, very few people on this site who actually support Trump. The overwhelming majority of us think Trump is a pile of poo - even if we also think Biden is a pile of poo too. It seems like the intention is to join hands with fellow anti-Trumpsters for a few days of unbridled hate.

Well then the thread is not for you, but for those who do support Trump.

And sure enough there are Trump supporters on the forum...

Personally I don't like endless wars. No new wars during Trump, under Biden the World is currently burning.

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I could go on but it's supper time and I don't want to waste any food these days. In short I'd rather gargle with razor blades than to vote for Biden. Trump 2024.

So your complaint that there is something unseemly or Orwellian about asking Trump supporters why they support Trump is a complete swing-and-miss.

 

[GrandMasterFox]

What I've never understood is why anyone would believe a word Trump says.

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The interesting thing about Trump is he absolutely doesn't care about what the truth might be. It's irrelevant to whatever narrative he is pitching. It might be true, somewhat true, somewhat false or a total fabrication.

Why would he care? As someone here already phrased it so well -

My pet theory is that a great many (possibly most) people navigate their way through life by believing things they want to believe. Wishful thinking. They don't exercise critical thinking, they come up with (or are fed) a story they wish/hope/want to be true, so they believe it. It's not limited to politics, of course, but that's where it can be effectively used by anyone who knows what story to construct and who to peddle it to.

TragicMonkey is 100% correct here. Again, I'll refer you to what Tucker Carlson said in the leaked texts -

They don't believe the election was fake and they didn't make people believe the elections were fake -

They knew people wanted to think the election were fake and were just repeating it on air to appease them.



In other words, Trump tells people what they want to hear - that dems are corrupt, that the deep state is after them etc. Then they follow him and use him to support their own claims.