Why I should vote for Trump?

[theprestige]

You're welcome. It also confirmed that lots of wars started under Bush, Obama and Trump. It also showed you're blaming Biden for the present wars is misplaced.

Again, this is unfair. Chris is clearly talking about wars the US has gotten involved in. Biden has gotten the US involved in the Ukraine-Russia conflict, for example. Are you missing this point, or just ignoring it?

 

[acbytesla]

I've never had any issue with anyone's nationality but US politics requires a different sort of concept of understanding that citizens of other Countries are unable or unwilling to grasp.

Take for instance, gun control. Many outside the US are prohibited from owning firearms in their home Country. That's fine by me if they're comfortable letting their Government control their ability to arm themselves or indeed defend themselves. But, that does not apply here in the US. Many will then argue that US citizens should not be allowed private gun ownership and lay out various reasons why it's better if we can't own firearms. Mass shootings, murder, crime etc. Sure, in a perfect World, nobody would need a firearm. But it's not a perfect World and no matter what, bad people will always find a way to kill others. Take away guns, they'll use knives. I've seen efforts in different Countries to now ban knives. OK, take away the knives, they'll use hammers or something else. Should they take everything away? How about alcohol? Alcohol is absolutely responsible for a great number of deaths each year. In those places that prohibit firearms (and soon possibly knives), I'll bet one can still get plastered and go driving. It's impossible for someone who is prohibited from owning firearms to understand the reasons why I'm not in the US.

Conservative US values clash with many Liberal World views and that's ok in my opinion. I enjoy firearms and like many of my US friends and neighbors, I own several. If it weren't for me and people like me, the US would still be a Colony of Great Britain. (no hard feelings on this end toward my British friends but it's true)

Typically, Republicans are strong 2nd Amendment candidates and Democrats seem to lean more toward gun control here or outright banning things I tend to own. I don't like that. Their version of the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) tends to try to make me into a felony lawbreaking criminal more often than not for past purchases that were 100% legal at the time. I don't like that either as I'm not a criminal and I'm not involved in criminal activities in any shape or form. I often agree with small common sense sacrifices such as background checks prior to firearm purchases but that's where it ends. The Government has no business knowing my business.

That's just one example of why outside opinion of US politics is impossible. I have the ability to see and understand their point of view, but reciprocity of views is a thing I value in discussion and try as they may (or not) it just doesn't click for them.

Translation: You've got nothing, and you know it!

You won't address my post because you can't, at least, not without lying.

Your bleating about me not being a USAian is just a pathetic excuse, one that everyone here sees right through.

I'm an American and the gun control arguments are nonsense. Common sense regarding gun control went out the window in the US decades ago. As a former member of the NRA and an avid hunter, I find today's NRA's positions today insane.

I grew up just outside of Sioux City Iowa. I regularly hunted pheasant, ducks, geese and rabbits. I own a bolt action rifle, a shotgun, a Walther PPK 9 mm and a WW1 era German Luger. The NRA used to be about firearm safety and common sense. Today, they advocate that owning any kind of weapon is a right.

But I'm sorry. No one outside the military needs an AR15, AK47, machine guns or a tank.

All which the lunatic right wing says are all OK with them. They talk about the second amendment like it was a commandment from God. That the right to own any weapon invented by modern science today was guaranteed by 18th century farmers who only had access to flintlocks. (Yeah, that makes sense)

 

[acbytesla]

Again, this is unfair. Chris is clearly talking about wars the US has gotten involved in. Biden has gotten the US involved in the Ukraine-Russia conflict, for example. Are you missing this point, or just ignoring it?

No I'm not. Chris suggested that no wars began under Trump. This was patently false. It's totally fine that he might argue that the US not aid Ukraine in their defense. But the Russian invasion of the Ukraine is not Biden's fault.

I think the US needs to oppose the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. Obama should have opposed the invasions of Crimea and Chechnya. If WW2 taught us anything, it taught us that a policy of appeasement is a recipe for disaster. Those that ignore history are doomed to have it repeated.

 

[smartcooky]

Dude, you don't like Trump. I get it. I'm still going to vote for him and there's nothing you can say or do to change that. Please feel free to indulge yourself with any anti-Trump fantasy you wish. I'd appreciate it if you can find the ability to forgo personal attacks, but I'm not holding my breath that you can or will.

You are spending more time and effort, and writing more words arguing about why you should not have to debate American politics with a non-American, than you are simply addressing that non-American's points.

Now I wonder why that is?

HINT: I know why, and so does everyone else.

 

[smartcooky]

No I'm not. Chris suggested that no wars began under Trump. This was patently false. It's totally fine that he might argue that the US not aid Ukraine in their defense. But the Russian invasion of the Ukraine is not Biden's fault.

I think the US needs to oppose the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. Obama should have opposed the invasions of Crimea and Chechnya. If WW2 taught us anything, it taught us that a policy of appeasement is a recipe for disaster. Those that ignore history are doomed to have it repeated.

Yup, the Chamberlain Lesson: appeasing authoritarians will only encourage them.

 

[theprestige]

No I'm not. Chris suggested that no wars began under Trump. This was patently false. It's totally fine that he might argue that the US not aid Ukraine in their defense. But the Russian invasion of the Ukraine is not Biden's fault.

Chris clarified what he meant in his very next post.

 

[stanfr]

Well the MAGATs want us out of NATO too, so at least they are consistent in their stupidity.

I just don't understand how any intelligent person would want a malignant narcissist to lead us, regardless of their political views. I mean, how obvious does it have to be that Trump is completely incapable of empathy and cares only about himself? He lets us know in all CAPS multiple times a day...

 

[trustbutverify]

Because he can handle things, he's smart. Not like everybody says...like dumb... he's smart and he wants respect.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

There's been some thread drift.

I just don't understand how any intelligent person would want a malignant narcissist to lead us, regardless of their political views.

The question posed by this thread is not how or why any intelligent person would want a malignant narcissist to lead us.

The question is whether Trump supporters can explain why the person who started this thread should vote for Trump.

Thus far, a single finger is adequate to tally those who have made any attempt to answer the question.

 

[angrysoba]

Well the MAGATs want us out of NATO too, so at least they are consistent in their stupidity.

I just don't understand how any intelligent person would want a malignant narcissist to lead us, regardless of their political views. I mean, how obvious does it have to be that Trump is completely incapable of empathy and cares only about himself? He lets us know in all CAPS multiple times a day...

Because he can handle things, he's smart. Not like everybody says...like dumb... he's smart and he wants respect.

“I’m SMART not DUMB. I REPAET NOT DUMB like SlEEPY JOE. SLEEPY JoE so dumb, first time in court thre judge said “ORDER!” Sleepy JOE said “APPLE PIE!” I never did that in ANY of my appearances in court. I’m so smart i don’t even get cross examination. My LAWYERs know I’M TOO SMART. Did I rape THAT LADY? No, she’s not my type. HAPPY NEW YEAR!”

 

[theprestige]

“I’m SMART not DUMB. I REPAET NOT DUMB like SlEEPY JOE. SLEEPY JoE so dumb, first time in court thre judge said “ORDER!” Sleepy JOE said “APPLE PIE!” I never did that in ANY of my appearances in court. I’m so smart i don’t even get cross examination. My LAWYERs know I’M TOO SMART. Did I rape THAT LADY? No, she’s not my type. HAPPY NEW YEAR!”

"Sad!"

 

[angrysoba]

"Sad!"

 

[Stacyhs]

I've never had any issue with anyone's nationality but US politics requires a different sort of concept of understanding that citizens of other Countries are unable or unwilling to grasp.

You seem to be confusing "understanding" and "grasping" a concept with disagreeing with it.

Take for instance, gun control. Many outside the US are prohibited from owning firearms in their home Country. That's fine by me if they're comfortable letting their Government control their ability to arm themselves or indeed defend themselves.

Maybe they're just more comfortable knowing their chances or a loved one's chances of being shot is more than significantly lower. In fact, in those countries, the chance of being shot is almost nil. There is no country in the world where people are not allowed to "defend themselves" so that claim is just more bogus nonsense.

But, that does not apply here in the US. Many will then argue that US citizens should not be allowed private gun ownership and lay out various reasons why it's better if we can't own firearms. Mass shootings, murder, crime etc. Sure, in a perfect World, nobody would need a firearm. But it's not a perfect World and no matter what, bad people will always find a way to kill others. Take away guns, they'll use knives.

True. Bad people will always find a way to kill others. They did that before guns were invented. But no one has ever argued gun control would end killings so your point is moot. But it sure would cut down on the number of people killed. Or would you like to argue the fact that someone with a gun, especially an assault style gun, is going to take down a hell of a lot more people than someone using a hammer or baseball bat or some other object? Shall we talk about Sandy Hook were a guy with a hammer killed 20 6-7 year-olds and 6 adults? Or the Uvalde school where 19 children and two adults were massacred by a guy with a fireplace poker? Or maybe the music concert in Vegas where a guy with a baseball bat killed 60 people? Or maybe the Pulse nightclub where a guy wounded 53 people and killed 49 people with a knife? Or the guy who wounded 20 and killed 26 people in the First Baptist Church with his crowbar?

I've seen efforts in different Countries to now ban knives. OK, take away the knives, they'll use hammers or something else. Should they take everything away? How about alcohol? Alcohol is absolutely responsible for a great number of deaths each year.
In those places that prohibit firearms (and soon possibly knives), I'll bet one can still get plastered and go driving. It's impossible for someone who is prohibited from owning firearms to understand the reasons why I'm not in the US.

No country has tried to 'ban knives' or do you think they expect people to cook without knives? Some countries have banned carrying knives in public or certain types of knives , but not "knives" in general. Some American states have also legislated similar knife restrictions. Do you think that's negatively impacting their lives because it restricts their right to "defend themselves"?

Conservative US values clash with many Liberal World views and that's ok in my opinion. I enjoy firearms and like many of my US friends and neighbors, I own several. If it weren't for me and people like me, the US would still be a Colony of Great Britain. (no hard feelings on this end toward my British friends but it's true)

The highlighted is one of the most outrageously silly things I've read. And I've read a lot of silly arguments by anti-gun control people.

Typically, Republicans are strong 2nd Amendment candidates and Democrats seem to lean more toward gun control here or outright banning things I tend to own. I don't like that.

Well, if you don't like that, then that settles it! You know what I don't like? The murder by guns of 169,081 people between 2006 and 2022. I'm sure the number of homicides would have been about the same if the weapons were hammers and knives, right?

Their version of the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) tends to try to make me into a felony lawbreaking criminal more often than not for past purchases that were 100% legal at the time. I don't like that either as I'm not a criminal and I'm not involved in criminal activities in any shape or form.

Uh, yeah...... they're trying to make you into a criminal for a purchase that was legal. Uh huh.

I often agree with small common sense sacrifices such as background checks prior to firearm purchases but that's where it ends.

What about red flag laws? Assault/assault style rifles? Gun stocks? Large capacity magazines? Ghost guns? No permit concealed carry?

The Government has no business knowing my business.

So I assume you're not paying your taxes because it's none of the government's business what your income is? Do you refuse to fill out the census?

That's just one example of why outside opinion of US politics is impossible. I have the ability to see and understand their point of view, but reciprocity of views is a thing I value in discussion and try as they may (or not) it just doesn't click for them.

I guess you're just special that way.

 

[johnny karate]

Again, this is unfair. Chris is clearly talking about wars the US has gotten involved in. Biden has gotten the US involved in the Ukraine-Russia conflict, for example. Are you missing this point, or just ignoring it?

Your idea of “fairness” seems to begin with defending anything another Trump voter says and ends somewhere before explaining how “Biden has gotten the US involved in the Ukraine-Russia conflict” is a good faith framing of what actually happened.

 

[Stacyhs]

Personally I don't like endless wars. No new wars during Trump, under Biden the World is currently burning. Does this make Biden supporters happy? Everyone said Trump would start WW3, but even when presented with an opportunity for war, Trump declined. Peace is the policy I prefer.

Is Biden responsible for Putin invading Ukraine? For Hamas attacking Israel? Is he responsible for any war that began during his administration. Tell me, exactly what wars is Biden responsible for?
While you're at it, please tell me exactly what you think Biden and the rest of NATO should have done when Russia invaded a sovereign nation with the intent of making it part of Russia? What do you think Trump would have done? Or would Putin and Hamas have been so scared of Trump that they wouldn't have dared?

I like my groceries affordable like they were during Trumps' term. My grocery bill is almost twice what is used to be. If you're in the US, yours is too. Is that what Biden supporters voted for?

Ah, yes. I like being able to FIND groceries, toilet paper, and hospitals liked being able to get medical supplies like masks and other protective gear all of which were in short supply during the Trump admin. I see you can still afford the Kool Aid. Remember this?

I like my electric bill without "Environmental Surcharges" like it was during Trump's term. If you're in the US have a look at your electric bill, you'll see the "Environmental" fees added on each month though sometimes it'll be cleverly called something more pleasant in Democrat run areas.

I like my planet without global warming. I like air that I can't see. I like my water clean. I like animals not to go extinct due to environmental pollution. What is more pleasant than "Environmental" fees you think will be used in Democrat run areas? "Clean air" and "Clean water" fees?

I like my Court systems to not find me guilty of something without a fair trial. I still believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, no matter if people hate me or not.

So do I. Has Trump been found guilty of something without a fair trial?

Democracy and the Constitution still mean something to me.

Then why on Earth are you voting for a man who has been intent on overturning a legitimate election in order to maintain his power? What about the 14th Amendment? Or is only the 2A part of the Constitution?

I like my inflation levels low, like it was during Trump's term. Breaking records is ok for some things but not record high inflation.

You mean like the record low inflation Trump INHERITED FROM OBAMA? The booming economy he also inherited?

Cheerlead all you want about job rates etc but the reason there is record employment is because everyone needs more income to survive. It's not because they want second or third jobs.

Really? And you have evidence supporting your claim everyone has second and third jobs? Or is this just an "assfact"?

I like my economy strong and prices of products low so everyone can live better. I prefer the large portion of oil and gas production in the US to come from Government leased lands, not the private sector leased lands. Speaking of gas and oil, I like gas and oil production to not be shut down as a result of new EPA regulations designed to put oil companies out of business. It hurts the little people when they fill their tanks.

Everyone like a strong economy and low prices. Everyone want to be attractive, rich and young, too. But life doesn't work that way and to think the POTUS can control everything is naive and, frankly, stupid.

You know what hurts everyone more than not being able to fill their tanks? Global warming. Droughts, rising sea levels, more hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, etc. But, oh lordy, just let me fill my gas tank on the cheap!

I like a strong middle class, I don't like Presidents that gut the middle class and try to turn the US into the "elites vs the poor" society.

LOL! Is that why the tax reductions put in place by Trump overwhelmingly benefited the rich?

I could go on but it's supper time and I don't want to waste any food these days. In short I'd rather gargle with razor blades than to vote for Biden. Trump 2024.

Yeah, you could go on with your fantasyland rhetoric. Go ahead and vote for a man who is a narcissistic, pathological liar, incited an insurrection because he couldn't accept he lost the election, a convicted sexual abuser, who has been indicted on 92 charges, who ran a fraudulent charity and businesses, who defrauded the US, and, frankly, a thoroughly despicable person who cares for nothing and no one but himself just so you can save some money (or so you think).

You will reap what you sow.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Is Biden responsible for Putin invading Ukraine? For Hamas attacking Israel? Is he responsible for any war that began during his administration. Tell me, exactly what wars is Biden responsible for?
While you're at it, please tell me exactly what you think Biden and the rest of NATO should have done when Russia invaded a sovereign nation with the intent of making it part of Russia? What do you think Trump would have done? Or would Putin and Hamas have been so scared of Trump that they wouldn't have dared?

Absolutely Biden is responsible for Putin invading Ukraine. The World sees Biden as a weak leader, a frazzled old man that should be spending his remaining days of senility somewhere besides the Oval Office. That and he's on the Chinese payroll.

Given Obama's cold shoulder treatment of Israel, it's highly likely Hamas was betting on Biden doing likewise.

What would Trump have done if Putin invaded Ukraine? That's an easy one, Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been in office. But just for fun, let's let you have your way, say Trump was still President and Putin invaded Ukraine. Within 24 hours Trump would have been on the phone with Putin with a deal whereby ending the hostilities would create great wealth for both sides. That's what he does. Making money is more important and more profitable than making war. Which reminds me, unless I'm mistaken you were one of the many here that claimed Trump would start World War 3? But he didn't. Warmonger is currently a word reserved for Biden and his supporters, not Trump. Some of you guys are shouting "Free Palestine!" While others are supporting Israel's bombardment. You guys need to get it together to support ending all wars and hostilities and concentrate on making money. Spend some of it on solar for your home.

It's the Leftists that enjoy the never ending wars. Must be something about reducing the population of excess humans to reduce the effects of Global Warming I suppose. That or purposely creating fear and chaos in the World. Beats me.

Ah, yes. I like being able to FIND groceries, toilet paper, and hospitals liked being able to get medical supplies like masks and other protective gear all of which were in short supply during the Trump admin. I see you can still afford the Kool Aid. Remember this?

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/716696590cb8eec0ae.jpg[/qimg]

Interesting photo, however I didn't do any shopping in Hong Kong where that picture was taken:
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinio...break-plague-fear-and-prejudice-could-be-just

"Empty instant noodle shelves at a supermarket in Hong Kong on January 30. Photo: Reuters"

I did see an empty toilet tissue Aisle for a few days at the Dollar General Store here in the US though. Since I typically keep at minimum a 6 months supply of food and toiletries, I wasn't personally affected.

I don't care for Kool Aid, I prefer iced tea or a citrus soda drink called "Ski".

I like my planet without global warming. I like air that I can't see. I like my water clean. I like animals not to go extinct due to environmental pollution. What is more pleasant than "Environmental" fees you think will be used in Democrat run areas? "Clean air" and "Clean water" fees?

I think I would prefer a bit more Global Warming. It still gets brutally cold in Kentucky and I'd prefer milder Winters, and while I'm always hopeful the fact is I'm still not getting a mild Winter. But let's say you're right and Global Warming is a deep concern that's going to kill us all and flood the Coastlines. How would you go about reversing the damage? If we made it, then surely we can unmake it. So how about it? What can I do or mankind in general, actually "do" to reverse Global Warming? Let's fix the planet! I'm on board, just tell me how we begin.

On a related note I recently read an article about some new archaeological finds of Viking era artifacts revealed from melting Glaciers in Norway. That means the Glaciers are now back to the same place they were around 1,500 years ago where the Vikings left their stuff. It was an interesting read, very thought provoking.

So do I. Has Trump been found guilty of something without a fair trial?

Colorado and Maine certainly seem to think so.

As for the remaining parts of your response, you started to let your TDS get a grip on your ability to have a civil conversation so this is as far as we go at this time. I'd be happy to respond further if you could find a way to control your adjectives to simply reduce the derogatory descriptors.

 

[johnny karate]

Absolutely Biden is responsible for Putin invading Ukraine. The World sees Biden as a weak leader, a frazzled old man that should be spending his remaining days of senility somewhere besides the Oval Office. That and he's on the Chinese payroll.

Given Obama's cold shoulder treatment of Israel, it's highly likely Hamas was betting on Biden doing likewise.

What would Trump have done if Putin invaded Ukraine? That's an easy one, Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been in office. But just for fun, let's let you have your way, say Trump was still President and Putin invaded Ukraine. Within 24 hours Trump would have been on the phone with Putin with a deal whereby ending the hostilities would create great wealth for both sides. That's what he does. Making money is more important and more profitable than making war. Which reminds me, unless I'm mistaken you were one of the many here that claimed Trump would start World War 3? But he didn't. Warmonger is currently a word reserved for Biden and his supporters, not Trump. Some of you guys are shouting "Free Palestine!" While others are supporting Israel's bombardment. You guys need to get it together to support ending all wars and hostilities and concentrate on making money. Spend some of it on solar for your home.

It's the Leftists that enjoy the never ending wars. Must be something about reducing the population of excess humans to reduce the effects of Global Warming I suppose. That or purposely creating fear and chaos in the World. Beats me.


Interesting photo, however I didn't do any shopping in Hong Kong where that picture was taken:
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinio...break-plague-fear-and-prejudice-could-be-just

"Empty instant noodle shelves at a supermarket in Hong Kong on January 30. Photo: Reuters"

I did see an empty toilet tissue Aisle for a few days at the Dollar General Store here in the US though. Since I typically keep at minimum a 6 months supply of food and toiletries, I wasn't personally affected.

I don't care for Kool Aid, I prefer iced tea or a citrus soda drink called "Ski".


I think I would prefer a bit more Global Warming. It still gets brutally cold in Kentucky and I'd prefer milder Winters, and while I'm always hopeful the fact is I'm still not getting a mild Winter. But let's say you're right and Global Warming is a deep concern that's going to kill us all and flood the Coastlines. How would you go about reversing the damage? If we made it, then surely we can unmake it. So how about it? What can I do or mankind in general, actually "do" to reverse Global Warming? Let's fix the planet! I'm on board, just tell me how we begin.

On a related note I recently read an article about some new archaeological finds of Viking era artifacts revealed from melting Glaciers in Norway. That means the Glaciers are now back to the same place they were around 1,500 years ago where the Vikings left their stuff. It was an interesting read, very thought provoking.



Colorado and Maine certainly seem to think so.

As for the remaining parts of your response, you started to let your TDS get a grip on your ability to have a civil conversation so this is as far as we go at this time. I'd be happy to respond further if you could find a way to control your adjectives to simply reduce the derogatory descriptors.

Haha… love the idea of Trump “making a deal” that would have stopped the Russian invasion of Ukraine. What “deal” would that have been exactly? Like the deal that would have had Mexico pay for the wall? Like the healthcare plan to replace Obamacare? Like the infrastructure plan?

Too funny watching Trump supporters talk about Trump “making deals” like it’s still 2015 and we haven’t already seen proof positive of his lies and grift.

 

[Tero]

I like a strong middle class, I don't like Presidents that gut the middle class and try to turn the US into the "elites vs the poor" society.

I could go on but it's supper time and I don't want to waste any food these days. In short I'd rather gargle with razor blades than to vote for Biden. Trump 2024.

The belief is strong."You Must Unlearn What You Have Learned." (Yoda)

Everything you believe is wrong. And none of the "good stuff" you list can be claimed by Trump.

Trump achievements: Killed over 500 000 Americans in pandemic due to "small government."

 

[Tero]

It's useless to respond to a Trumpster, but the Biden law improved the life of the middle classes. Will say more in Biden thread. But the corporate tax rate will put us back where most of Europe is. Norways is at 28% for corporations.

Reforming The 2017 Tax Law’s Costly and Regressive Corporate Provisions
The budget reconsiders the 2017 law’s permanent provisions that are heavily tilted in favor of large corporations and their shareholders, who are disproportionately wealthy. The Biden budget would partially reverse the deep cut in the corporate tax rate, raising it to 28 percent, or halfway between the pre-2017 law 35 percent rate and the current 21 percent rate, acknowledging that the deep cut in the corporate tax rate cost significant revenue without a clear economic benefit for employees.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/feder...a-needed-course-correction-as-2025-tax-debate

 

[johnny karate]

The belief is strong."You Must Unlearn What You Have Learned." (Yoda)

Everything you believe is wrong. And none of the "good stuff" you list can be claimed by Trump.

Trump achievements: Killed over 500 000 Americans in pandemic due to "small government."

It’s the same thing over and over again from Trump supporters. They cite no facts or data. They just regurgitate Trump’s own campaign propaganda like the pathetic marks that they are.