Why I should vote for Trump?

[Darat]

I don’t even know if he does that. I think he says stuff to get a reaction. Some of what he says is utterly garbled by whatever drugs he is on.

I pointed this out a the last election, he is a reaction blob, such is how he got to the point of claiming that Obama created ISIS, he was reacting to the crowd, when he got a cheer he went further along that path.

There are a hell of lot less cheers at his rally's these days which I think accounts for some of his meandering, he doesn't have thoughts, he has reactions.

 

[Darat]

you can find a list of wars here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars:_2003–present

You should keep in mind that the first year of any term is actually the previous President's budget. And the economy doesn't turn on a dime.



Is it? I have no such surcharge on my electric bill. But hey, my utility company pays me ten months of the year. Not the other way around. That's the beauty of having solar.
What the hell are you talking about? There was due process in Colorado. Evidence was presented to a judge in a two week trial to determine if Trump was qualified to be on the ballot. Are you under the impression that civil trials must be in front of a jury? Ever see a foreclosure hearing? Or an eviction hearing? People's homes are taken from them all over the country without jury trials.

Trump hasn't been convicted of anything yet. He has been indicted for 92 cimes though.

But it has been proven in courts of law that he ran a fraudulent charity. That his business engaged in persistent fraud for decades. That his business violated the civil rights of prospective renters. That he ran a fraudulent university. That he ran a fraudulent charity.
That he committed sexual assault and defamation.

Such a good guy.

He committed rape, that is what is in the actual judgement, you can say he raped someone and that has been proven in court. Not that it should really matter, someone who has sexually assaulted someone should be as impossible to be considered a candidate for president as a rapist. That an actual rapist is the front runner for one of the parties, it beggars belief.

 

[angrysoba]

I pointed this out a the last election, he is a reaction blob, such is how he got to the point of claiming that Obama created ISIS, he was reacting to the crowd, when he got a cheer he went further along that path.

There are a hell of lot less cheers at his rally's these days which I think accounts for some of his meandering, he doesn't have thoughts, he has reactions.

Yes, and to that point it is even less important about whether he lies or tells the truth: he is a Bull ******* in the Frankfurtian sense.

 

[Ziggurat]

inflation is under 3%.

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[angrysoba]

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

How much?

 

[acbytesla]

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Your kidding right? There were huge increases a year ago. But in the last year many things have not only not gotten any more expensive but have gone down in price. The price of gas, heating oil and propane have all decreased. Last year Inflation hit hard. People feel that and are still feeling that. And likely to keep feeling that. It was a shock to everyone. But the reality is, Inflation in the US over the last year has been quite low.

 

[Donal]

Personally I don't like endless wars. No new wars during Trump,

Despite his best efforts. Also he increased deployments and extra judicial drone strikes.

under Biden the World is currently burning.

A meaningless statement based on emotion rather than fact.

Does this make Biden supporters happy?

right-wing tears are delicious, so yes.

Everyone said Trump would start WW3, but even when presented with an opportunity for war, Trump declined. Peace is the policy I prefer.

He legitimized a despot, abandoned allies, and tried to isolate us from the West. And, he helped weaken international defense against Russia and China. He brought us peace like Neville Chamberlain did in the 30s. Except Chamberlain had a good reason.

I like my groceries affordable like they were during Trumps' term.

Do you mean before the trade war with China that required billions in bailouts for farms? And gave an opening for Russia to come i na permanently replace us as a food supplier to China?

My grocery bill is almost twice what is used to be. If you're in the US, yours is too. Is that what Biden supporters voted for?

That's like blaming your alarm clock for your hangover rather than the binge drinking you did the night before.

I like my electric bill without "Environmental Surcharges" like it was during Trump's term.

I like my planet with increased flooding and hurricane damage. Perhaps if had addressed these issues earlier, we could have upgraded our infrastructure more gradually and cheaper. Oh well.

If you're in the US have a look at your electric bill, you'll see the "Environmental" fees added on each month though sometimes it'll be cleverly called something more pleasant in Democrat run areas.

The "leave a habitable planet for your children fees"

I like my Court systems to not find me guilty of something without a fair trial.

I too enjoy being white and financially comfortable.

I still believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty,

Like the central Park Five?

no matter if people hate me or not.

I assure you, no one thinks about you enough to hate you.

Democracy and the Constitution still mean something to me.

Apparently, it means "toilet paper" and "shield against valid criticism" rather than "written plan for the government".

I like my inflation levels low, like it was during Trump's term.

That was before the end of 2019, right? When the recession started?

Breaking records is ok for some things but not record high inflation.

Most impeachments! Most votes against! Twice! Record number of preventable disease deaths!

Cheerlead all you want about job rates etc but the reason there is record employment is because everyone needs more income to survive. It's not because they want second or third jobs.

Ya, the job numbers are bunk. They have always been. Including when your Orange Weakling crowed about his. CoL increase has outpaced wages for decades, starting with the end of Carter's term and accelerated by the Iran-Contra guy.

I like my economy strong and prices of products low so everyone can live better.

Do you want government price caps? Massive subsidies? (those don't work anyway). Honestly, it seems like what we are told is "strong economy" is in direct conflict with a manageable cost of living. We exist for one reason and one reason only. To provide revenue. Be that through our labor or consumption. So long as that this our reality, we won't have affordable groceries or any essentials. Our lords will keep is in a constant cycle of debt and desperation.

I prefer the large portion of oil and gas production in the US to come from Government leased lands, not the private sector leased lands.

I prefer not to be held hostage by oil company execs.

Speaking of gas and oil, I like gas and oil production to not be shut down as a result of new EPA regulations designed to put oil companies out of business. It hurts the little people when they fill their tanks.

Oil companies have been raking in record profits, profits not revenue, for years. Yet, the prices still go up. Do you want oil and gas to get cheaper? Kill the demand. That means more fuel-efficient cars, far better public transit, better infrastructure for remote work, more emphasis on smaller living areas, and more investment in alternative energy sources.

I like a strong middle class, I don't like Presidents that gut the middle class and try to turn the US into the "elites vs the poor" society.

Me too, but this is about why you're voting for Trump

I could go on but it's supper time and I don't want to waste any food these days. In short I'd rather gargle with razor blades than to vote for Biden. Trump 2024.

I get it, you hate someone more than you love your family.

 

[Donal]

Another reason to vote Trump: You love MURICA!!!! but hate Americans.

 

[Donal]

This thread was always more about trying to pick a fight than having a discussion.

And yet, you couldn't help yourself.

I voted for Trump in 2016, for reasons I belabored in good faith elsewhere, and was met overwhelmingly with bad faith retorts. Now I'm not even voting for him, and I'm still getting the same retorts in bad faith.

It's not bad faith to point out misinformation and faulty reasoning.

You should be happy to learn there are people who voted for Trump in 2016, who would rather vote Democrat than vote for him again. Instead, you're doing whatever hate-fueled nonsense this is.

I'm really glad they are getting over the lowest bar in American political history since 1860 and still tripping on it. Perhaps they could be a little less indignant about not getting a medal for it and a little more humble about their role in getting us here in the first place.

 

[Donal]

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You don't understand your role. Trump supporters are the marks, not the cons.

 

[theprestige]

you can find a list of wars here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars:_2003–present

Did Biden start any of the current wars?

I don't think this is fair. Chris is pretty clear that his concern is about wars the US has started or gotten involved in. For example, the war in Ukraine and the current conflict in Israel.

Chris's assertion is that Trump did not get the US involved in any wars during his presidency, that the US wasn't already involved in. I have no idea if it's true, but you can't refute the claim with a mere list of wars that have happened, nor deflect it by saying Biden didn't start any of the wars he's gotten the US involved in.

Err, that's a great rewrite of actual history. Your Dear Leader wanted to launch a missile strike against Iran, which would almost certainly have lead to another US-Iran war.

But he didn't.

General Milley helped to stop him.

Ooh, that nasty Trump, listening to his advisors! /s

 

[Hercules56]

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

How high do you think inflation is now?

 

[johnny karate]

This thread was always more about trying to pick a fight than having a discussion.

I voted for Trump in 2016, for reasons I belabored in good faith elsewhere, and was met overwhelmingly with bad faith retorts. Now I'm not even voting for him, and I'm still getting the same retorts in bad faith.

You should be happy to learn there are people who voted for Trump in 2016, who would rather vote Democrat than vote for him again. Instead, you're doing whatever hate-fueled nonsense this is.

So sorry to hear that you did something incredibly stupid and everyone didn’t immediately let you off the hook for it. Life can be cruel sometimes. But I think maintaining defiant smugness is definitely the way forward.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

inflation is under 3%.

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

How much?

Your kidding right? There were huge increases a year ago. But in the last year many things have not only not gotten any more expensive but have gone down in price. The price of gas, heating oil and propane have all decreased. Last year Inflation hit hard. People feel that and are still feeling that. And likely to keep feeling that. It was a shock to everyone. But the reality is, Inflation in the US over the last year has been quite low.

According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, which I personally regard as more reliable than pseudonymous sources:

• "Over the last 12 months, the all items index increased 3.1 percent before seasonal adjustment."
  
  
• Over those 12 months (including November but not the month of December, which is not yet over), "the food index increased 2.9 percent".
  
  
• Over those 12 months, the cost of electricity has increased 3.4%.
  
  
• Over those 12 months, the cost of gasoline has gone down 8.9%.

All of those figures are subject to statistical errors. For the 3.1% all items index, the 95% range of uncertainty does include values less than 3%, but that would not be the way to bet unless you can get better than even odds and can also agree upon some authoritative way to settle the bet other than numbers that have already been reported by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

you can find a list of wars here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars:_2003–present

You should keep in mind that the first year of any term is actually the previous President's budget. And the economy doesn't turn on a dime.



Is it? I have no such surcharge on my electric bill. But hey, my utility company pays me ten months of the year. Not the other way around. That's the beauty of having solar.
What the hell are you talking about? There was due process in Colorado. Evidence was presented to a judge in a two week trial to determine if Trump was qualified to be on the ballot. Are you under the impression that civil trials must be in front of a jury? Ever see a foreclosure hearing? Or an eviction hearing? People's homes are taken from them all over the country without jury trials.

Trump hasn't been convicted of anything yet. He has been indicted for 92 cimes though.

But it has been proven in courts of law that he ran a fraudulent charity. That his business engaged in persistent fraud for decades. That his business violated the civil rights of prospective renters. That he ran a fraudulent university. That he ran a fraudulent charity.
That he committed sexual assault and defamation.

Such a good guy.

Thank you for confirming all the new US involved wars during the Biden Admin.

I suppose we'll see what happens when Colorado vs Trump reaches the Supreme Court.

I do like solar too. I used it at the old house with great success and have purchased 40 more panels for the new house. Just waiting on warmer weather to install. I can afford the increases to my utility bills without adding the solar, but many cannot. I'm not oblivious to their pain.

For all his faults, not any specific claims you've levied, Trump is ahead of Biden in the polls. That's likely what you're on about. The Biden cheerleading camp appears to be in full panic mode, hence all the work behind the scenes to remove Trump from the ballot. Biden can't win otherwise, and I think you know it.

There's no need for me to trash talk Biden for his personal and financial faults. His record stands for all to see. For all the Biden cheerleading everyone sees online, they'll always look to their bank account first to determine how things are in the real World.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

For someone who claims to love the Constitution you sure don't seem to know very much about it.

The Fat Orange Turd was not on trial in Colorado. It was a hearing to determine if Section 3 of the 14th amendment applied to him for what he did on January 6th and therefore disqualified him from holding office.

Keep in mind that the leading constitutional scholar of the very conservative Federalist Society, J. Michael Luttig and the very liberal constitutional scholar, Lawrence H. Tribe both think The Fat Orange Turd is (not should be, IS) disqualified from office. When you have two high ranking scholars of entirely opposing political persuasions, both agreeing on something, they need to be taken seriously.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...onstitutionally-prohibited-presidency/675048/
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‎Its also worth noting that there has been some terrible reporting and specious claims by the media about disqualification under the 14th Amendment

Several courts other than Colorado have ruled that Trump is not disqualified....
Wrong. So far no court has ruled on disqualification other than Colorado. Some have ruled on technicalities such as lack of standing
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/current-projects/the-trump-trials/section-3-litigation-tracker

Disqualification isn’t likely or right because it would take the decision away from the people.
Wrong. There are others whom the Constitution forbids to hold the office of president - for example, foreign born US citizens, and anyone under 35 years of age.

Disqualifying Trump violates due process.
Wrong. No conviction is required or any other form of due process is needed to deprive anyone of political office. The Fourteenth Amendment is part of the Constitution so it is not overruled by any other provisions, including the due process requirement.

Disqualification is a terrible strategy for the Democrats since Trump can use it to build support.
Wrong. The Colorado case was brought by conservatives, actual Republicans. Disqualification is not a political strategy. It’s the law.

There is no chance the conservative Supreme Court will rule against Trump.
Wrong. While SCOTUS appears very conservative, its political leanings shouldn’t matter, besides which the majority’s conservatism may not align with Trump. The Fat Orange Turd is not a conservative, he’s a populist. Many pundits and members of the public will not understand the difference, but it you can be sure that conservative justices like Roberts and Kavanaugh will understand. Also, conservative justices regularly apply "original intent", interpreting the Constitution as close as possible to the Framers’ intent.

Its worth noting that SCOTUS has ruled against Trump almost every time he has gone there.

- He tried to overturn the federal law protecting gay and transgender workers from employment discrimination. They ruled 6-3 against - with Gorsuch and Roberts joining the four liberal justices.

- He tried to end the "Dreamers" program - They Ruled 5-4 against - Roberts voting with the liberal justices.

- Trump tried to block Congress from getting his tax records - They refused with no dissents.

- Trump tried to block release of White House records relating to Jan 6 insurrection - they ruled 8-1 against (no prizes for guessing which justice dissented)

Why on earth is someone from New Zealand so interested in US politics? Is it because you love the US and want what's best for us? Certainly everyone here loves the US and our leaders. I doubt there's any that would like to see the US fall.

Come on in, the border is wide open. Welcome. There's probably a mail in ballot waiting for you. Hurry though, when Trump wins in 2024 the border won't be as easy to cross.

 

[Chanakya]

This thread was always more about trying to pick a fight than having a discussion.

I voted for Trump in 2016, for reasons I belabored in good faith elsewhere, and was met overwhelmingly with bad faith retorts. Now I'm not even voting for him, and I'm still getting the same retorts in bad faith.

You should be happy to learn there are people who voted for Trump in 2016, who would rather vote Democrat than vote for him again. Instead, you're doing whatever hate-fueled nonsense this is.

That I respect. And that everyone should be able to respect. Agreed, that deserves support. (I'm not weighing in with your opinion that others are doing the hate-fueled nonsense thing, that I have no particular opinion on, one way or the other; although sure, this thread might be better served starting all over again, and without the piling on.)

 

[Donal]

Why on earth is someone from New Zealand so interested in US politics? Is it because you love the US and want what's best for us? Certainly everyone here loves the US and our leaders. I doubt there's any that would like to see the US fall.

Come on in, the border is wide open. Welcome. There's probably a mail in ballot waiting for you. Hurry though, when Trump wins in 2024 the border won't be as easy to cross.

I noticed you didn't actually refute anything smartcooky posted.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I noticed you didn't actually refute anything smartcooky posted.

Why should I waste my time arguing US politics with someone that has no irons in the fire here? I have better things to do with my time, like make myself a glass of iced tea, which I think I'll do now.

 

[Donal]

The argument actually comes from the Atlantic. And you didn't seem to be bothered by anyone's nationality before.