Why I should vote for Trump?

[theprestige]

See, they can't actually defend Trump. They just make juvenile cracks about Biden. The few times they actually offered specific reasons, those reasons turned out to be nonsense.

This thread was always more about trying to pick a fight than having a discussion.

I voted for Trump in 2016, for reasons I belabored in good faith elsewhere, and was met overwhelmingly with bad faith retorts. Now I'm not even voting for him, and I'm still getting the same retorts in bad faith.

You should be happy to learn there are people who voted for Trump in 2016, who would rather vote Democrat than vote for him again. Instead, you're doing whatever hate-fueled nonsense this is.

 

[smartcooky]

Will not be voting this time. Voting for #GenocideJoe is an act of complicity, as would be voting for any current GOP candidate. The consequence were many others to do the same is a likely Trump victory. Not sure his holy hell will rain down on the rest of the world as much as it will on the US. Perhaps such a "gentle" reminder as to what the Continental Army fought against would be healthy for the nation... if it survives.

I love the way the anti-Israel crowd seem to forget that it was Hamas who attacked Israel, murdered hundreds of people and took hundreds of hostages to use as human shields, and somehow its all Biden's fault that most Americans back the victim (Israel) here.

Meanwhile some are not at all worried if their lack of voting for Biden might result in a Trump victory, and all that entails. Trump is a Putin lackey, that much must be obvious at anyone, and if anyone here thinks that Putin would stop once he beats Ukraine (an inevitable result of a Trump victory) in 2024) then they have no ******* idea.‎
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[Random]

I love the way the anti-Israel crowd seem to forget that it was Hamas who attacked Israel, murdered hundreds of people and took hundreds of hostages to use as human shields, and somehow its all Biden's fault that most Americans back the victim (Israel) here.

Meanwhile some are not at all worried if their lack of voting for Biden might result in a Trump victory, and all that entails. Trump is a Putin lackey, that much must be obvious at anyone, and if anyone here thinks that Putin would stop once he beats Ukraine (an inevitable result of a Trump victory) in 2024) then they have no ******* idea.‎
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Kill enough people and it doesn't matter what the initial provocation was, you will become the bad guy. The bodycount in Gaza is an order of magnitude higher that the 10/7 attacks. More children alone have been killed in Gaza than the total deaths on 10/7. And Israel shows no sign of slowing down.

The longer things go on, the more people will decide that Irael has gone too far. And it's a one-way ratchet. A person who thinks Israel is justified today might change their minds when the bodycount goes up tomorrow. A person who thinks that Israel has gone too far is not going to change their minds when the bodycount goes up tomorrow.

 

[Crossbow]

Here is your chance Trump supporters. Tell us what Trump promised and accomplished as President. How he improved your lives and the lives of your countrymen. What made his Presidency better than Biden's. Why the future of this country and the world will be better by going back to Trump.

Tell us;

About the Mexican wall that he built and how Mexico paid for it.
About Trump the builder was America's infrastructure President.
About the great construction projects that he built.
About how he was going to replace the Affordable Care Act with something better.
How he united the country and improved our lives.
What made Trump's Presidency better than Biden's.

Tell me why I should vote for Trump. And if you can't do that. Why are you?

While I really do despise that POS Trump, I will attempt to answer your excellent question all the same.

As far as I can figure, the big thing that Trump supporters like about Trump is the fact that Trump is so full of the hate that so many of his supporters and that Trump often shows many of the same Christian pretensions that his supporters like to display.

Or as Trump so recently shouted to everyone in the world:

MAY THEY (those people who are not Trump supporters) ROT IN HELL. AGAIN, MERRY CHRISTMAS!”

 

[smartcooky]

Kill enough people and it doesn't matter what the initial provocation was, you will become the bad guy. The bodycount in Gaza is an order of magnitude higher that the 10/7 attacks. More children alone have been killed in Gaza than the total deaths on 10/7. And Israel shows no sign of slowing down.

The longer things go on, the more people will decide that Irael has gone too far. And it's a one-way ratchet. A person who thinks Israel is justified today might change their minds when the bodycount goes up tomorrow. A person who thinks that Israel has gone too far is not going to change their minds when the bodycount goes up tomorrow.

Pearl Harbour - 2403 killed.

The nuking of Hirsohima and Nagasaki - between 110,000 and 210,000 killed.

Japan are still widely and mostly regarded as "the bad guys" in that conflict. What is so different about Israel/Hamas?


ETA: I know this is not directly related to the question posed, but what Trump would do if elected is still a big part of the reasons people might be crazy enough to vote for him. Would his policy on Gaza/Israel be any different from Biden's?

 

[AmyStrange]

I'm not a big Trump fan (or even a small one), but I do like that he says what's on his mind, even though most of the crap he says is pure insanity.

 

[angrysoba]

I'm not a big Trump fan (or even a small one), but I do like that he says what's on his mind, even though most of the crap he says is pure insanity.

I don’t even know if he does that. I think he says stuff to get a reaction. Some of what he says is utterly garbled by whatever drugs he is on.

 

[AmyStrange]

I don’t even know if he does that. I think he says stuff to get a reaction. Some of what he says is utterly garbled by whatever drugs he is on.

Well, I really can't argue with that, but him being on drugs would certainly explain a lot of things.

 

[Random]

Pearl Harbour - 2403 killed.

The nuking of Hirsohima and Nagasaki - between 110,000 and 210,000 killed.

Japan are still widely and mostly regarded as "the bad guys" in that conflict. What is so different about Israel/Hamas?


ETA: I know this is not directly related to the question posed, but what Trump would do if elected is still a big part of the reasons people might be crazy enough to vote for him. Would his policy on Gaza/Israel be any different from Biden's?

I think Japan might have done some other stuff before and after Pearl Harbor, and there have been people even in the US who think the US was wrong to drop the bomb since we dropped the first one.

But getting back to Trump, I am uncertain there would be much difference between Biden and Trump with regards to Gaza in practice. The rhetoric would be different, with Trump cheering Israel on... Actually now that I think about it, Trump was mad at Netanyahu for something a while back, so he might nuke Tel Aviv.

It's just so hard to tell. He is so erratic at times, with no real ideological center, that any answer you can think of can be made to sound plausible. It's the Madman Theory of foreign policy, only it's not an act.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Personally I don't like endless wars. No new wars during Trump, under Biden the World is currently burning. Does this make Biden supporters happy? Everyone said Trump would start WW3, but even when presented with an opportunity for war, Trump declined. Peace is the policy I prefer.

I like my groceries affordable like they were during Trumps' term. My grocery bill is almost twice what is used to be. If you're in the US, yours is too. Is that what Biden supporters voted for?

I like my electric bill without "Environmental Surcharges" like it was during Trump's term. If you're in the US have a look at your electric bill, you'll see the "Environmental" fees added on each month though sometimes it'll be cleverly called something more pleasant in Democrat run areas.

I like my Court systems to not find me guilty of something without a fair trial. I still believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, no matter if people hate me or not. Democracy and the Constitution still mean something to me.

I like my inflation levels low, like it was during Trump's term. Breaking records is ok for some things but not record high inflation. Cheerlead all you want about job rates etc but the reason there is record employment is because everyone needs more income to survive. It's not because they want second or third jobs.

I like my economy strong and prices of products low so everyone can live better. I prefer the large portion of oil and gas production in the US to come from Government leased lands, not the private sector leased lands. Speaking of gas and oil, I like gas and oil production to not be shut down as a result of new EPA regulations designed to put oil companies out of business. It hurts the little people when they fill their tanks.

I like a strong middle class, I don't like Presidents that gut the middle class and try to turn the US into the "elites vs the poor" society.

I could go on but it's supper time and I don't want to waste any food these days. In short I'd rather gargle with razor blades than to vote for Biden. Trump 2024.

 

[Ziggurat]

Hence why I'm casting my vote for Biden this time around.

Because he's competent?

Or because he's not competent?

 

[theprestige]

Because he's competent?

Or because he's not competent?

Because I think he* is more competent than Trump, when it comes to the things I care about in this election cycle.

 

[acbytesla]

Personally I don't like endless wars. No new wars during Trump, under Biden the World is currently burning. Does this make Biden supporters happy? Everyone said Trump would start WW3, but even when presented with an opportunity for war, Trump declined. Peace is the policy I prefer.

Totally false. No less than 20 wars began during the Trump administration. And many started before he took office and he did little about any of them.

I like my groceries affordable like they were during Trumps' term. My grocery bill is almost twice what is used to be. If you're in the US, yours is too. Is that what Biden supporters voted for?

i think you're exaggerating. Still, there was a significant spike in inflation just after the Trump administration term ended. Was that the result of the new administration or possibly the policies of past administrations? I would argue it's very difficult to hang that around the neck of any new administration. Should be noted that inflation has been hovering around 3 percent the last year.

I like my electric bill without "Environmental Surcharges" like it was during Trump's term. If you're in the US have a look at your electric bill, you'll see the "Environmental" fees added on each month though sometimes it'll be cleverly called something more pleasant in Democrat run areas.

Are you sure that surcharge is from the state and not some clever way your electricity supplier found to charge you more?

I like my Court systems to not find me guilty of something without a fair trial. I still believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, no matter if people hate me or not. Democracy and the Constitution still mean something to me.

You were found guilty without a trial?

I like my inflation levels low, like it was during Trump's term. Breaking records is ok for some things but not record high inflation. Cheerlead all you want about job rates etc but the reason there is record employment is because everyone needs more income to survive. It's not because they want second or third jobs.

inflation is under 3%.

I like my economy strong and prices of products low so everyone can live better. I prefer the large portion of oil and gas production in the US to come from Government leased lands, not the private sector leased lands. Speaking of gas and oil, I like gas and oil production to not be shut down as a result of new EPA regulations designed to put oil companies out of business. It hurts the little people when they fill their tanks.

Then you must like the Biden boom. Inflation around 3%, Unemployment at 3.3%. Dow hits all time high of 35,000.

I like a strong middle class, I don't like Presidents that gut the middle class and try to turn the US into the "elites vs the poor" society.

The rich have already done that. What exactly did Trump do for the middle class? Or do you believe tax breaks for the top 1% help the middle class.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Totally false. No less than 20 wars began during the Trump administration. And many started before he took office and he did little about any of them.

i think you're exaggerating. Still, there was a significant spike in inflation just after the Trump administration term ended. Was that the result of the new administration or possibly the policies of past administrations? I would argue it's very difficult to hang that around the neck of any new administration. Should be noted that inflation has been hovering around 3 percent the last year.

Are you sure that surcharge is from the state and not some clever way your electricity supplier found to charge you more?

You were found guilty without a trial?

inflation is under 3%.

Then you must like the Biden boom. Inflation around 3%, Unemployment at 3.3%. Dow hits all time high of 35,000.

The rich have already done that. What exactly did Trump do for the middle class? Or do you believe tax breaks for the top 1% help the middle class.

What new wars did the US fund or take part in during the 2017-2021 Trump term in office? Do tell. As I said, there were no new wars and your attempt to twist your answer into something other than I claimed is a noticeable act of desperation. I know, Biden is a tough sell, even to those who voted for him in 2020, but dishonesty doesn't sell.

Your understanding of inflation is a bit Biden friendly to say the least. Current inflation is 3%! Meaning: Let's completely forget about the prior years added amounts of inflation rise and just say it's currently at 3%. Yea, if we started at a baseline of what it was when Trump left office, a 3% increase would be great, but that's not how it works though. The CPI is very telling of Biden's current disaster.

Did you check your electric power bill? I'll bet you didn't. It would be nice to think the EPA is not regulating electric power production facilities and that they're not increasing the costs of electricity production, but they are, and consumers are footing the bill. Check your bill. The truth is easy to see. It's a compliance charge the utility company must pay to make sure their power plants are not expelling too many bad things into the air. You know, we gotta have that clean air in the US so we can blow up natural gas pipelines overseas.

Trump was found guilty without trial in Colorado. If they can do it to him, they can do it to any American. Due process is a thing though, I think Colorado will understand that soon.

The inflation thing, yes inflation has increased another 3.1%. But we didn't go back to a baseline, we're still 3.1% above those prior record high increases.

Ah, the economy. You say it's booming, consumers disagree. Pretty simple to see who's right, just buy a few things and compare what you paid now with what you paid 4 years ago. Simple.

I don't think you're going to sell a rosy picture of the Biden economy. Everyone knows their own finances and everyone reading this also knows if they are financially better off now than they were 4 years ago. Why do you think Biden's approval has dropped to Jimmy Carter levels? They know.

 

[acbytesla]

What new wars did the US fund or take part in during the 2017-2021 Trump term in office? Do tell. As I said, there were no new wars and your attempt to twist your answer into something other than I claimed is a noticeable act of desperation. I know, Biden is a tough sell, even to those who voted for him in 2020, but dishonesty doesn't sell.

you can find a list of wars here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars:_2003–present

Your understanding of inflation is a bit Biden friendly to say the least. Current inflation is 3%! Meaning: Let's completely forget about the prior years added amounts of inflation rise and just say it's currently at 3%. Yea, if we started at a baseline of what it was when Trump left office, a 3% increase would be great, but that's not how it works though. The CPI is very telling of Biden's current disaster.

You should keep in mind that the first year of any term is actually the previous President's budget. And the economy doesn't turn on a dime.

Did you check your electric power bill? I'll bet you didn't. It would be nice to think the EPA is not regulating electric power production facilities and that they're not increasing the costs of electricity production, but they are, and consumers are footing the bill. Check your bill. The truth is easy to see. It's a compliance charge the utility company must pay to make sure their power plants are not expelling too many bad things into the air. You know, we gotta have that clean air in the US so we can blow up natural gas pipelines overseas.

Is it? I have no such surcharge on my electric bill. But hey, my utility company pays me ten months of the year. Not the other way around. That's the beauty of having solar.

Trump was found guilty without trial in Colorado. If they can do it to him, they can do it to any American. Due process is a thing though, I think Colorado will understand that soon.

What the hell are you talking about? There was due process in Colorado. Evidence was presented to a judge in a two week trial to determine if Trump was qualified to be on the ballot. Are you under the impression that civil trials must be in front of a jury? Ever see a foreclosure hearing? Or an eviction hearing? People's homes are taken from them all over the country without jury trials.

Trump hasn't been convicted of anything yet. He has been indicted for 92 cimes though.

But it has been proven in courts of law that he ran a fraudulent charity. That his business engaged in persistent fraud for decades. That his business violated the civil rights of prospective renters. That he ran a fraudulent university. That he ran a fraudulent charity.
That he committed sexual assault and defamation.

Such a good guy.

 

[smartcooky]

Personally I don't like endless wars. No new wars during Trump, under Biden the World is currently burning. Does this make Biden supporters happy?

Did Biden start any of the current wars?

Everyone said Trump would start WW3, but even when presented with an opportunity for war, Trump declined. Peace is the policy I prefer.

Err, that's a great rewrite of actual history. Your Dear Leader wanted to launch a missile strike against Iran, which would almost certainly have lead to another US-Iran war.

General Milley helped to stop him.

I like my groceries affordable like they were during Trumps' term. My grocery bill is almost twice what is used to be. If you're in the US, yours is too. Is that what Biden supporters voted for?

Grocery prices in other parts of the world are high too. You think Biden is to blame for that too?

Now for some reality.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1362265/food-shopping-cost-expectations-worldwide/

The USA has the exact same expected food price increases as the global average. Australia, Canada, France and Great Britain are much worse off.

I like my electric bill without "Environmental Surcharges" like it was during Trump's term. If you're in the US have a look at your electric bill, you'll see the "Environmental" fees added on each month though sometimes it'll be cleverly called something more pleasant in Democrat run areas.

Either you don't have children or grand children, or if you do, you don't care about them, or the world you are leaving to them.

Ooops, I forgot, your not just a bigfooter, you're a climate denier and science denier as well.... so your position on the environment is not unexpected.

I like my Court systems to not find me guilty of something without a fair trial. I still believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, no matter if people hate me or not.

When has that happened under either Trump or Biden?

Democracy and the Constitution still mean something to me.

If you care about Democracy and your Constitution, then the very last person you should be voting for is a wannabe dictator, a person who lies about losing elections, a person who instigated a revolt against the peaceful transfer of power, a person who wants to install an Authoritarian government, become Dear Leader for life, and suspend the very Constitution you claim to love so much.

The Fat Orange Turd is all of the above, as well as a criminal mob boss, a serial sex pest and a fraud.

I like my inflation levels low, like it was during Trump's term. Breaking records is ok for some things but not record high inflation.

The record inflation of which you speak was not confined to the US, had nothing to do with the Biden administration, and everything to do with emergence from a world-wide pandemic. In fact the US' economic recovery was faster under Biden than any other country in either the G7 or the G20. US inflation reached a peak of 2.9% (June 2018) under The Fat Orange Turd, and is now down 3.1% under Biden. This is lower than the long term average (3.28%)

I like my economy strong and prices of products low so everyone can live better. I prefer the large portion of oil and gas production in the US to come from Government leased lands, not the private sector leased lands. Speaking of gas and oil, I like gas and oil production to not be shut down as a result of new EPA regulations designed to put oil companies out of business. It hurts the little people when they fill their tanks.

Your economy is stronger that it has been for in many years

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/7-reasons-the-u-s-economy-is-among-the-strongest-in-the-g7/

One of the strongest in the G7

I like a strong middle class, I don't like Presidents that gut the middle class and try to turn the US into the "elites vs the poor" society.

And yet The Fat Orange Turd did nothing but gut the middle class. His tax legislation resulted in a huge windfall to the top one percent, generating an extra $1000 to $9000 a week for America’s highest earners. Of course, the real benefit, $1.35 trillion, went to corporations, their top executives and their shareholders. Meanwhile, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, those tax cut’s benefits to middle-wage earners worked out to about $15 a week, and they will begin to phase out in 2025, and by 2027 many working-class wage earners will face a higher tax burden. However, the rich will continue to benefit from having been able to invest the money they should have paid in taxes.

 

[smartcooky]

Trump was found guilty without trial in Colorado. If they can do it to him, they can do it to any American. Due process is a thing though, I think Colorado will understand that soon.

For someone who claims to love the Constitution you sure don't seem to know very much about it.

The Fat Orange Turd was not on trial in Colorado. It was a hearing to determine if Section 3 of the 14th amendment applied to him for what he did on January 6th and therefore disqualified him from holding office.

Keep in mind that the leading constitutional scholar of the very conservative Federalist Society, J. Michael Luttig and the very liberal constitutional scholar, Lawrence H. Tribe both think The Fat Orange Turd is (not should be, IS) disqualified from office. When you have two high ranking scholars of entirely opposing political persuasions, both agreeing on something, they need to be taken seriously.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...onstitutionally-prohibited-presidency/675048/
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‎Its also worth noting that there has been some terrible reporting and specious claims by the media about disqualification under the 14th Amendment

Several courts other than Colorado have ruled that Trump is not disqualified....
Wrong. So far no court has ruled on disqualification other than Colorado. Some have ruled on technicalities such as lack of standing
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/current-projects/the-trump-trials/section-3-litigation-tracker

Disqualification isn’t likely or right because it would take the decision away from the people.
Wrong. There are others whom the Constitution forbids to hold the office of president - for example, foreign born US citizens, and anyone under 35 years of age.

Disqualifying Trump violates due process.
Wrong. No conviction is required or any other form of due process is needed to deprive anyone of political office. The Fourteenth Amendment is part of the Constitution so it is not overruled by any other provisions, including the due process requirement.

Disqualification is a terrible strategy for the Democrats since Trump can use it to build support.
Wrong. The Colorado case was brought by conservatives, actual Republicans. Disqualification is not a political strategy. It’s the law.

There is no chance the conservative Supreme Court will rule against Trump.
Wrong. While SCOTUS appears very conservative, its political leanings shouldn’t matter, besides which the majority’s conservatism may not align with Trump. The Fat Orange Turd is not a conservative, he’s a populist. Many pundits and members of the public will not understand the difference, but it you can be sure that conservative justices like Roberts and Kavanaugh will understand. Also, conservative justices regularly apply "original intent", interpreting the Constitution as close as possible to the Framers’ intent.

Its worth noting that SCOTUS has ruled against Trump almost every time he has gone there.

- He tried to overturn the federal law protecting gay and transgender workers from employment discrimination. They ruled 6-3 against - with Gorsuch and Roberts joining the four liberal justices.

- He tried to end the "Dreamers" program - They Ruled 5-4 against - Roberts voting with the liberal justices.

- Trump tried to block Congress from getting his tax records - They refused with no dissents.

- Trump tried to block release of White House records relating to Jan 6 insurrection - they ruled 8-1 against (no prizes for guessing which justice dissented)

 

[angrysoba]

Trump was found guilty without trial in Colorado. If they can do it to him, they can do it to any American. Due process is a thing though, I think Colorado will understand that soon.

You mean... any American who engages in insurrection against the country after swearing an oath to not do that.

Yes, any American who does that, can be ruled ineligible to be president of the United States.

Do you really have trouble understanding why that is?

It is not "any" American, is it? Or are the only Americans you know oath-breakers who tried to overturn the election on January 6th?

 

[Resume]

Personally . . .

Flatlines or outriggers?

 

[angrysoba]

Personally I don't like endless wars. No new wars during Trump, under Biden the World is currently burning. Does this make Biden supporters happy?

I assume what makes Biden supporters happy is that, when Putin invaded a sovereign independent nation in Europe, the Biden administration were resolute in their refusal to accept it, and moreover were staunch allies of that nation when they requested the means to defend themselves. Please note that the United States did not start the war, nor did they send their own troops there. They sent the wherewithall for another nation to defend itself and have shown no sign of wobbliness.

This is in massive contrast to many of the Trump supporters who initially pooh-poohed the idea of a mounting invasion, then declared that Biden and the woke west were too weak to repel the strong alpha males of Putin's Russia, then became increasingly deranged the more they proved themselves to be wrong, and the more that Ukraine held the line against the fascists that Trump supporters had a hard-on for.

Now it seems that having shown that the Biden administration is made of sterner stuff than you people believed them to be you are demanding that they throw in the towel. And why? Because you don't want to pay more for your groceries? Jeez! Really who are the snowflakes that are ready to give in at the first sign of discomfort?