Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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JayUtah said:
No, it is a phrase with a particular meaning.

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In your haste to be loved, hated, or simply not ignored, you've attempted to make words mean something other than what they mean. There has been considerable cause over the years to doubt the competence you claim in, say, investigating the causes of accidents. However, now there is cause to question your competence to read and understand plain English.
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When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. ' 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things. '
 
SteveAitch said:
Such a dumb thread that it has me wondering if Luton Airport actually exists anywhere but in Campari adverts...

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The existence of Luton airport appears to be one of the very few things that Vixen has accepted without question. But no evidence for its existence has actually been presented here.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Rephrased: When people say extremely stupid things, I sometimes wonder if they do it deliberately, for the attention.
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"It is extremely stupid because...[insert reasoning here]...?

Please avoid the logical fallacy of ad hominem just because you do not understand something that others do. Transparency and accountability in public services and in corporate governance is something that has taken decades to develop and is an essential part of an open democracy. I realise that this is of little interest to many people. But that does not make it extremely stupid. The fact that the current UK Prime Minister has a record of not declaring conflicts of interest is one reason speculation surrounds his decisions. For example, there has long been a claim he bought shares in Moderna vaccine whilst Chancellor of the Exchequer. Sunak has been slow to disclose his interests as he is supposed to do (claiming he 'inadvertently forgot'). Former PM's David Cameron and even the the ultra-shifty Boris Johnson were open about their register of financial interests, yet Sunak who boasted he would bring in 'accountability and integrity' has refused to reveal a large part of his interests, instead calling it a 'blind register'. So yes, the sudden change from the Fire Brigade just saying what vehicle caused a fire (model and make) to a generic 'accidental ignition', can only be Sunak protecting his likely financial interests (he owns Theleme which has a net value of £530m and is an investment company in the secretive Cayman Islands), so whilst Sunak might have 'stepped down' from running the company (i.e., 'blind') we have no idea whether his politics are centred around profiting from Jaguar Land Rover and the Tata deal, given his wife's associations and the fact of the Luton Airport Car Park fire said on the grapevine to have been a Land Rover, yet unlike Liverpool, it has not be confirmed. There is nothing illegal about Sunak's affairs*, however, the taxpayer has aright to transparency which is sovereign over any politician's personal affairs.


*Not to mention Infosys, in which Sunak had 50% shares which he handed over to his wife to take up politics, the multi-billion firm owned by Sunak's father-in-law Narayana Murthy, which has a registered company in Rwanda and Rwanda has...well, well, well...extensive lithium mines. Fancy that!
 
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Vixen said:
Please avoid the logical fallacy of ad hominem just because you do not understand something that others do.
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No, you're not the teacher. You're just making crap up and pretending it works as fact and evidence. It's not ad hominem to point out that's what you're doing.
 
Vixen said:
"It is extremely stupid because...[insert reasoning here]...?

Please avoid the logical fallacy of ad hominem just because you do not understand something that others do. Transparency and accountability in public services and in corporate governance is something that has taken decades to develop and is an essential part of an open democracy. I realise that this is of little interest to many people. But that does not make it extremely stupid. The fact that the current UK Prime Minister has a record of not declaring conflicts of interest is one reason speculation surrounds his decisions. For example, there has long been a claim he bought shares in Moderna vaccine whilst Chancellor of the Exchequer. Sunak has been slow to disclose his interests as he is supposed to do (claiming he 'inadvertently forgot'). Former PM's David Cameron and even the the ultra-shifty Boris Johnson were open about their register of financial interests, yet Sunak who boasted he would bring in 'accountability and integrity' has refused to reveal a large part of his interests, instead calling it a 'blind register'. So yes, the sudden change from the Fire Brigade just saying what vehicle caused a fire (model and make) to a generic 'accidental ignition', can only be Sunak protecting his likely financial interests (he owns Theleme which has a net value of £530m and is an investment company in the secretive Cayman Islands), so whilst Sunak might have 'stepped down' from running the company (i.e., 'blind') we have no idea whether his politics are centred around profiting from Jaguar Land Rover and the Tata deal, given his wife's associations and the fact of the Luton Airport Car Park fire said on the grapevine to have been a Land Rover, yet unlike Liverpool, it has not be confirmed. There is nothing illegal about Sunak's affairs*, however, the taxpayer has aright to transparency which is sovereign over any politician's personal affairs.


*Not to mention Infosys, in which Sunak had 50% shares which he handed over to his wife to take up politics, the multi-billion firm owned by Sunak's father-in-law Narayana Murthy, which has a registered company in Rwanda and Rwanda has...well, well, well...extensive lithium mines. Fancy that!
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It was a diesel car, the fire service announced it weeks ago. You can read the official statement on their official website.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Rephrased: When people say extremely stupid things, I sometimes wonder if they do it deliberately, for the attention.
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Steve said:
And when one particular person does it over, and over, and over again do you stop wondering at some point?
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When people say extremely stupid things, it seldom matters why they do it.

I generally assume people who say extremely stupid things are saying stupid things because they're stupid. It is of course possible that they're doing it for the attention, or for some dishonest purpose, but the obvious explanation is the most generous explanation for their behavior, and also the simplest.

Vixen said:
I realise that this is of little interest to many people. But that does not make it extremely stupid.
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What makes it extremely stupid is not a lack of interest. What makes it extremely stupid is its extreme stupidity.
 
Vixen said:
... So yes, the sudden change from the Fire Brigade just saying what vehicle caused a fire (model and make) to a generic 'accidental ignition', can only be Sunak protecting his likely financial interests
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I think the juxtaposition of "can only be" with "likely" in the same sentence is where absurdity peaks.

The 'sudden change' bit is a strong contender though: Pick a single previous example of a car fire or of a sinking ship or whatever and then treat any detail of that as 'normal' so you can pretend the current example is a suspicious outlier.

Merely declare the fire brigade always used to announce the make and model of each car fire, and that makes their failure to do so this time a step change so sinister it can only have come right from the top with a direct order from the prime minister.

It's the only explanation. When you have eliminated the impossible (by simply declaring nothing else possible) whatever remains, however dunderheaded, must be debated for the next forty pages.

Oh, and add in a few tweaks about how obsequious the sheeple are and how woefully little the small-minded reader cares about these important matters, just to rile people up for a squabble.
 
Hey we know that everyone in the chain of thousands and thousands is so loyal to the PM that they wouldn't expose any such orders.
 
Darat said:
Hey we know that everyone in the chain of thousands and thousands is so loyal to the PM that they wouldn't expose any such orders.
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It's the NWO in action, with Freemasons at the top.
 
Por que no los dos?

It's not a real conspiracy theory until you're stacking contradictory absurdities at least three deep.

Vixen, how do we know you're not just shilling for Big ICE?
 
Quelle surprise! Vixen has Brave-Sir-Robined once again.

I'm mostly done with this crapola at this point, but I reserve the right to re-engage if (ha!) and when Vixen's claims diverge too far from reality to pass without comment (by which I mean when Vixen next wildly misrepresents another posters' posts, fails basic reading comprehesiorn, or otherwise tries to re-write history).

So...see you tomorrow?


ETA: This may* apply to some other threads, too.


*NB: For the purposes of this post, the word "may" can be considered synonymous with "does".
 
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Vixen, how do you know how Bedfordshire fire service files fire reports? How do you know that they have a 'tick box' sheet that is filled out by 'the bod' at the fire station?

Have you got any evidence that this is what happens when they report fires? Can you provide any evidence that is actual evidence and not just speculation from you devoid of links, citations, etc.?

Also, why would they lie on an internal fire service report about whether or not a fire was accidental or deliberate in order to not alert the criminal? How would the criminal know what some tick box form filed away by the Bedfordshire fire service says?

More to the point, on top of knowing what kind of forms the Bedfordshire fire service has for reporting fires, how do you know that they are in the habit of lying on their own report forms about the cause of a fire in order not to alert criminals who have no way of knowing what box was ticked on this supposed form?

You are clearly making this **** as you go along. You laughably and pathetically boast about how you cite and link everything, when you actually cite and link hardly anything, nearly every post of yours is entirely speculation. A bit warning sign is when you start anything with "Think about it..." because what happens then is you just getting into rambling idle speculation about things you couldn't possibly know about, any generally make an absolute embarrassment of yourself, like when you flat out claim that it's dumb to think that a welding machine can melt steel.

If you claim that the dumb remarks you made about welding make sense in context, then you are a liar. I've read those remarks in context, and they are just as dumb in context as they are out of context. No amount of context is going to make any stupider or more ignorant your claim that "it's dumb to think that applying a welding tool to steel will melt it." That's the kind of dumb, ignorant comments you have been throwing around for years now and it's hard to tell if you're just as dishonest as you appear, or if you genuinely think that welding 2 pieces of steel together does not actually involve melting them to get them to fuse together. Sorry to drag up the welding thing again, but I think it's helpful to continually remind Vixen and others in the thread just exactly the kind of ignorance Vixen is happy to blurt out to try and dig herself out of a corner she dug herself into.
 
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