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Inflation

I called this a strawman because no one ever argued that corporations haven't been greedy for the past 35 years. In fact, you are the one arguing that they suddenly stopped being greedy. Those past 35 years they're willing to take any opportunity that comes by to increase profits, but now you're arguing they aren't using the opportunity presented by covid, the supply chain disruptions, and high worldwide inflation to add to their bottom line?

Then what is your explanation for the relatively mild inflation rates from about 1985-2020? They didn't have a covid crisis and supply chain disruptions to blame things on? You're saying greedy corporations are to blame for the inflation of the last three years, what kept them at bay for those 35 years?
 
Then what is your explanation for the relatively mild inflation rates from about 1985-2020? They didn't have a covid crisis and supply chain disruptions to blame things on? You're saying greedy corporations are to blame for the inflation of the last three years, what kept them at bay for those 35 years?

Technological advances and decreasing barriers to worldwide trade imo.
 
By the way, I concede that the guardian graphic is not accurate. Or at the very least I don't see how they came to those numbers.

Do you concede that a CEO is on record admitting they like inflation because they can use it to increase profits beyond their increased costs and that it is incredibly unlikely that this is unique to this one company?

Do you concede that well known organizations like the Institute for Public Policy Research, the International Monetary Fund, and the Federal Reserve have all done studies in which they conclude that corporate profits contributed to inflation?
 
Then what is your explanation for the relatively mild inflation rates from about 1985-2020? They didn't have a covid crisis and supply chain disruptions to blame things on? You're saying greedy corporations are to blame for the inflation of the last three years, what kept them at bay for those 35 years?

I'm saying greedy corporations are to blame for SOME of the inflation of the last few years. Nothing kept them at bay for those 35 years. The ability to raise prices is relative to the opportunities available and it's pretty hard to really jack up your prices and blame it on inflation and supply chain disruption when there isn't worldwide supply chain disruptions due to a pandemic and crazy high inflation being talked about constantly on news and social media.
 
I'm saying greedy corporations are to blame for SOME of the inflation of the last few years. Nothing kept them at bay for those 35 years. The ability to raise prices is relative to the opportunities available and it's pretty hard to really jack up your prices and blame it on inflation and supply chain disruption when there isn't worldwide supply chain disruptions due to a pandemic and crazy high inflation being talked about constantly on news and social media.

I can accept that, but would point out that companies whose other costs stayed the same generally had to pay more for shipping (due to increased fuel costs) and salaries and benefits (the 8.7% increase in wages). The benefit of the capitalist system is that anybody who tries to get an excess profit will immediately come under attack from lower-priced competitors who see a chance to grab market share.
 
The benefit of the capitalist system is that anybody who tries to get an excess profit will immediately come under attack from lower-priced competitors who see a chance to grab market share.
That is why there are restrictive trace practices such as predatory pricing or supply chain squeezing that too-big-to-prosecute corporations are free to engage in.
 
The benefit of the capitalist system is that anybody who tries to get an excess profit will immediately come under attack from lower-priced competitors who see a chance to grab market share.

Unless that first company is raising prices because it has an overwhelming advantage that it knows can't be overcome. that may be due to a high bar for entry into an industry/market or the dominate company is able to use its leverage to force suppliers to not work with potential competitors. Or maybe all of the big players in a certain industry have all just decided to collude.
 
They don't explain how they did their calculations so I don't know how they arrived at the number they did. But we can do our own calculations since we have the data.

Change in cost of goods sold from 2020 to 2022.
(3,787,389 - 2,159,871) / 2,159,871 = ~ .75
Their cost of goods sold increased 75% from 2020 to 2022.

Change in net sales from 2020 to 2022
(5,569,902 - 2,575,100) / 2,575,100 = ~ 1.16
Their net sales increased 116% during that same period.

This same math for their gross profit shows an increase of ~ 330%
So again no idea how they arrived at their figure but even 330% gross profit increase is still very large.
If that is what they did then it's exactly what I said - math fail.

net sales / cogs
2,575,100 / 2,159,871 = +19.2%
5,569,902 / 3,787,389 = +47.1%

That's a gross profit margin increase of 27.9%, not 330%.

To show how ridiculous their supposed method is, consider a company that made a gross profit of $0 in Q1 2020 and $1 in Q1 2022. Can't get profits much lower than that. But 1 / 0 = Infinite 'profit increase'! :jaw-dropp No wonder they excluded companies that made a loss. :boggled:

But even 27.9% is meaningless as an indicator of 'greedflation' without context. Cost Of Goods Sold is not the only cost of running a business. In Q1 2020 Steel Dynamics had gross profit of $415,229, but a net income after tax of only $187,340 (on sales of $2,575,100). In Q1 2022 the net income was $1,103,931 on sales of $5,569,902. So the net profit margin was:-

Q1 2020 2,575,100 / (2,575,100 - 187,340) = +7.8%
Q1 2022 5,569,902 / 5,569,902 - 1,103,931) = +24.7%

Sound excessive? Oh yeah, they increased their profits while consumers were hurting. The cads!

But this number still tells us nothing about the actual selling price or whether the profit was 'reasonable'. Perhaps they were able to lower their costs by being more efficient and/or getting scrap metal at a lower price, and managed to keep prices down as well as making more money. Or perhaps they were suffering from higher costs too and just overestimated the selling price required to stay afloat. Should they be excoriated for that?

Do you concede that a CEO is on record admitting they like inflation because they can use it to increase profits beyond their increased costs and that it is incredibly unlikely that this is unique to this one company?
If the article focused on those individuals it would have had more credibility. Instead it painted with a broad brush and presented ludicrous numbers that border on libel, as well as grossly misinforming the public. If that was my paper I would force those responsible to publish a front page retraction that would stay up forever as a reminder to readers that journalists often get stuff badly wrong.

Do you concede that well known organizations like the Institute for Public Policy Research, the International Monetary Fund, and the Federal Reserve have all done studies in which they conclude that corporate profits contributed to inflation?
This doesn't mean what you think it does.

In times of uncertainty with rapidly increasing costs and general instability you should expect businesses to increase their gross profit margins to cope with the higher risk. If they happen to come out better off in the end it's not necessarily because they were 'greedy'. Predicting a chaotic market is hard, and if you get it wrong the result could be bankruptcy. You might also have to cut services, reduce R&D, sack staff etc. which will be worse than making enough money to keep the business healthy.

2020 to 2022 is probably the worst crisis the World has had to face in recent history (it's certainly the worst in my 66 year lifetime). To expect corporations to operate as efficiently as possible in these troubled times is not reasonable. Sure some CEOs welcomed the opportunity to profit from the chaos, but many more wished they didn't have to deal with it.

Blaming the mild inflation we are currently experiencing on 'greedflation' is just wrong. But nobody wants to face up to the real cause - irresponsible people who didn't treat the virus seriously. Chickens are coming home to roost and we need a convenient scapegoat.
 
Unless that first company is raising prices because it has an overwhelming advantage that it knows can't be overcome. that may be due to a high bar for entry into an industry/market or the dominate company is able to use its leverage to force suppliers to not work with potential competitors. Or maybe all of the big players in a certain industry have all just decided to collude.
Antitrust law
Competition law is the field of law that promotes or seeks to maintain market competition by regulating anti-competitive conduct by companies. Competition law is implemented through public and private enforcement. It is also known as antitrust law (or just antitrust), anti-monopoly law, and trade practices law..

The history of competition law reaches back to the Roman Empire. The business practices of market traders, guilds and governments have always been subject to scrutiny, and sometimes severe sanctions. Since the 20th century, competition law has become global. The two largest and most influential systems of competition regulation are United States antitrust law and European Union competition law. National and regional competition authorities across the world have formed international support and enforcement networks.
 
Unless that first company is raising prices because it has an overwhelming advantage that it knows can't be overcome. that may be due to a high bar for entry into an industry/market or the dominate company is able to use its leverage to force suppliers to not work with potential competitors. Or maybe all of the big players in a certain industry have all just decided to collude.

All these things can happen, although the last is actually illegal (it happens--see the LIBOR scandal, for a hugely significant example). In most cases, however purchasers have other options if they find prices too high--substitution is common. When eggs went to $5.00 a dozen here during covid briefly, I decided to have another slice of bacon instead with my breakfast.
 
All these things can do happen,

FTFY

although the last is actually illegal

Ya, because that stops it from happening.

(it happens--see the LIBOR scandal, for a hugely significant example).

That we know of. and is prosecuted. I'd argue anytime some company honcho goes on TV and makes a declaration about, say remote work, they are signaling their fellow honchoes in the same or parallel industries. And I'm sure they never ever discuss these things at the boards they sit on or at the private club, or the fancy gala, or any of the palces they gather that don't require documentation.

In most cases, however purchasers have other options if they find prices too high--substitution is common. When eggs went to $5.00 a dozen here during covid briefly, I decided to have another slice of bacon instead with my breakfast.

You understand that something like eggs serves a purpose beyond the center of your plate, right? Is this the typical conservative "its not a problem if it doesn't directly affect me" thinking? Eggs are a staple for a reason. You can't bake a cake with a strip of bacon in place of the eggs. You can't make meatloaf that way. And that's just home cooking. what if you actually make food for a living? Adding a strip of bacon doesn't work there.
 
Expect Trump to adopt the "Greedflation" excuse now that it's increasing on his watch:

Inflation picked up in June, a potential sign that companies are starting to pass tariff costs on to consumers.

Consumer prices rose 2.7% in June from a year earlier, the Labor Department said Tuesday, faster than May’s increase of 2.4%. That was in line with the expectations of economists surveyed by The Wall Street Journal.

Core inflation, which excludes volatile food and energy prices, was 2.9%, also in line with forecasts.
At the same time, Trump's making noises about firing the Fed Chairman, because he feels short-term rates are too high. This is making the bond market skittish and as a result, the yield (interest rate) on the 10-year Treasury has increased by 0.25% or one quarter of one percent. Since that rate is used to set mortgage rates, it is making home ownership even more unaffordable.
 
Expect Trump to adopt the "Greedflation" excuse now that it's increasing on his watch:


At the same time, Trump's making noises about firing the Fed Chairman, because he feels short-term rates are too high. This is making the bond market skittish and as a result, the yield (interest rate) on the 10-year Treasury has increased by 0.25% or one quarter of one percent. Since that rate is used to set mortgage rates, it is making home ownership even more unaffordable.
High school students know this. All Trump’s bluster will not stop the coming recession (hopefully only in the US) if he doesn’t stop the idiotic tariffs.
 
High school students know this. All Trump’s bluster will not stop the coming recession (hopefully only in the US) if he doesn’t stop the idiotic tariffs.
I'm sure the US situation will impact other countries too, the only question is how much.

For New Zealand the good news so far is that inflation has barely increased.

Inflation up 2.7% in 12 months to June 2025, but quarter rise lower than expected

Such a relief that inflation has only increased by a mere 2.7%. I was worried that it might go up from 2.5% in the 12 months to June 2024 to 2.7% this June, an 8% increase. Oh wait, they mean it went up to 2.7%, not up by 2.7%. Totally different thing!
 
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Fed's preferred measure of inflation ticks up:

Consumer prices rose 0.3 percent in June and were up 2.6 percent from a year earlier, according to the Personal Consumption Expenditures price index, which the Commerce Department released on Thursday. “Core” prices, which exclude volatile food and energy costs to give a more reliable read of the underlying pace of inflation, also rose 0.3 percent from the prior month and were up 2.8 percent from a year earlier.

The June inflation figures were a modest acceleration from May, when overall prices were up 2.4 percent from a year earlier, and a bit hotter than forecasters had expected. Consumer spending also picked up, an encouraging sign for the economy, but one that suggests inflation will remain a concern.
 
Interesting that the US inflation number almost precisely matches New Zealand's. Still very low compared to what we experienced in the 1970's and 80's though (it peaked at 17.5% here in 1980).

In other news, Trump has increased the tariff on NZ goods from 10% to 15%. Meanwhile NZ still has no import tariffs on almost everything from anywhere.

What is a tariff? A tax on the people, just like any other tax. Except it affects 'poor' people more because they have less income to spend on goods. Income tax cuts OTOH benefit the rich more because they have higher income. By introducing tariffs Trump can cut income tax, increasing the gap between rich and poor. This is all the fault of poor people of course, for not being smart enough to start out rich.

What will this mean for the US economy? Inflation will increase because goods cost more. This will happen even if those goods are made locally, because they will cost more to produce and there is no reason to sell them cheaper. 15% isn't much though. That would only put inflation up to where it was for us in the 80's.

I hope Trump reconsiders and raises all tariffs to 100%. Then the impact will become real. New Zealand already does more trade with China, and this would accelerate that trend. Then what will we do when they invade Taiwan? Know which side of the bread is buttered.
 
Trump decides to fire the messenger:

Economists across the political spectrum are sounding the alarm over President Trump’s decision to fire the Labor Department’s top statistician in response to a stalled-out July jobs report that showed weakness in hiring going back to May.

Economists across the political spectrum spent the weekend sounding alarm bells about what it would mean for the U.S. to have politicized economic data coming out of statistical agencies like the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).
 

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