Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Vixen said:
So the Bristol Airport Car Park Fire was caused by 'accidental ignition'.


You couldn't make it up. Why does the British public tolerate this level of crap?

''Ello,'ello, 'ello, <fx knees bend> What's goin' on 'ere, then?"

"Well, you see, Officer, I just popped into Waitrose to do my weekly shop and - **** me! - I came out to discover my car managed to accidentally ignite itself!"

"Ah, that'll be a derv, then. Evenin' all. Mind 'ow you go."
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Zooterkin nailed it:

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Vixen said:
From wikipedia:
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That's a press release from ahead of time. How about some sales figures showing that they actually marketed and sold them. Then, now hear me out, prove that the vehicle in question was a MHEV as opposed to your speculation.
 
Vixen said:
The idea that 'we mustn't consider redesigning car parks as it might affect certain car sales' is a ridiculous one.
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Aside from the fact that no one has proposed any such idea, what design changes should be made, in your expert opinion as a reader of the Daily Mail comments section.
 
Vixen said:
So the Bristol Airport Car Park Fire was caused by 'accidental ignition'.


You couldn't make it up. Why does the British public tolerate this level of crap?

''Ello,'ello, 'ello, <fx knees bend> What's goin' on 'ere, then?"

"Well, you see, Officer, I just popped into Waitrose to do my weekly shop and - **** me! - I came out to discover my car managed to accidentally ignite itself!"

"Ah, that'll be a derv, then. Evenin' all. Mind 'ow you go."
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Now who's attempting to be all edgy? If you change the word 'car' to 'Cheerios and milk' in the above you could achieve the level of justifiable incredulity you're seeking. But trying to characterize accidental car fires as something too unlikely to take seriously is a pathetic argument.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Which bit exactly could you not make up?
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Well it's not like automobiles are complex mechanisms with high amperage electrical systems and large quantities of flammable petroleum distillates and plastics. Clearly, only Li-ion batteries accidentally combust, which is why accidental car fires were completely unknown until recent years.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Which bit exactly could you not make up?
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The only explanation would be that Vixen thinks it was arson. But this would tend to suggest that she thinks all car fires are arson, or that she has inside information about the Bristol fire.

No point looking for logic or reason in her posts.
 
Disbelief said:
That's a press release from ahead of time. How about some sales figures showing that they actually marketed and sold them. Then, now hear me out, prove that the vehicle in question was a MHEV as opposed to your speculation.
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They were on sale at some point in 2014.

I just searched a couple of UK car sales sites and found a few diesel hybrid Range Rovers for sale, all on '64' number plates (which ran from Sept 2014 to March 2015). Two listings had their registration dates, which were in November and December '14.

So it's likely that the model did in fact exist, but that only brings us back around to what Vixen's conspiracy theory actually is: the fire service deliberately deceived the public about the type of car involved and, when pressed by journalists, they are now doubling down on their deceit.

Utterly ludicrous.
 
Vixen said:
Read this again carefully:

"To further clarify it was neither a fully electric vehicle (EV) nor a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle. (PHEV)"

In other words, Beds Fire and Rescue does NOT rule out a mild hybrid diesel. Yet Full Fact and Jasper Jolly read the statement as otherwise.
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What has Full Fact got to do with Jasper Jolly?

We know that Full Fact previously said what the fire service had confirmed to them: that the car involved was a diesel and not a hybrid. What an irony it is that you demand we read the fine details with more care when you then try to sneak in a weasely argument like that.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
They were on sale at some point in 2014.

I just searched a couple of UK car sales sites and found a few diesel hybrid Range Rovers for sale, all on '64' number plates (which ran from Sept 2014 to March 2015). Two listings had their registration dates, which were in November and December '14.

So it's likely that the model did in fact exist, but that only brings us back around to what Vixen's conspiracy theory actually is: the fire service deliberately deceived the public about the type of car involved and, when pressed by journalists, they are now doubling down on their deceit.

Utterly ludicrous.
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Thanks for that, I didn't have time to check and I know press releases within the automotive sector are often just hype with no substance. They will also release very few cars sometimes to say that they met the goal, without producing any volume. So the chances of it being a MHEV is vanishingly small.

You do bring up a great point that she is saying that the fire service is actively involved in the cover up.
 
Disbelief said:
Thanks for that, I didn't have time to check and I know press releases within the automotive sector are often just hype with no substance. They will also release very few cars sometimes to say that they met the goal, without producing any volume. So the chances of it being a MHEV is vanishingly small.

You do bring up a great point that she is saying that the fire service is actively involved in the cover up.
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Compare and contrast. Liverpool ECHO Car Park Fire 31 Dec 2017.

Next day in the newspapers, 1 Jan 2018:

It is believed the inferno could have been stopped if sprinklers had been fitted in the building, a chief fire officer said.

Dan Stephens, of Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service (MFRS), said such a system would have given crews a "much better" chance of stopping the fire, which went on to engulf seven floors of the multi-storey car park at the Echo Arena on Liverpool's waterfront after a Land Rover burst into flames.
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DAILY EXPRESS

Fast forward to the Luton and now Bristol Airport Car Park fires and we have a sudden cloak of secrecy as to the model and make of car zero involved. So now the British public are expected to tolerate a couple of Prime Ministers claiming they have 'lost all' of their WhatsApp messages for a key six-mouth period of the Covid pandemic and to be fobbed off with 'accidental ignition' nonsense in the case of more recent car park fires as though the public has no right to basic information, I dare say to protect the profits of car companies the Prime Minister or/and his wife have shares in.

But the typical forelock-tugging Brit thinks this is all fine. We must allow politicians to speciously withhold hitherto open information of facts in the public interest because 'We are only minnows'. <fx scrape bow, tugs forelock>
 
Vixen said:
...we have a sudden cloak of secrecy as to the model and make of car zero involved.
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The "cloak" is all in your mind. Or rather, over it. The vehicle at which the fire started has been confirmed as diesel-fueled and -powered. There is no evidence to suggest it must be an electric vehicle or a hybrid as your very-well-debunked conspiracy theory suggests. None of your subsequent conspiratorial waffling and incoherent speculation change the reported facts.
 
JayUtah said:
The "cloak" is all in your mind. Or rather, over it. The vehicle at which the fire started has been confirmed as diesel-fueled and -powered. There is no evidence to suggest it must be an electric vehicle or a hybrid as your very-well-debunked conspiracy theory suggests. None of your subsequent conspiratorial waffling and incoherent speculation change the reported facts.
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If you refuse to see the message Beds Fire and Rescue personally sent GUARDIAN journalist - (i.e., a serious journalist) - Jasper Jolly, in which they wind back on the mild hybrid issue, I cannot make you see it.
 
Vixen said:
... we have a sudden cloak of secrecy
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No, we don't.

We have information which anyone can glean if they care to, and which you might notice we have been openly discussing here, but we have a contenious point created by conspiracy-minded types spreading a false rumour on social media, which the fire service have been tolerantly correcting each time a journalist or similar asks them to confirm the information they already posted on their website.

That is not a cloak of secrecy. I'm sorry if that doesn't neatly fit into the exciting story you've written in your imagination but that's just how it is.
 
Vixen said:
If you refuse to see the message Beds Fire and Rescue personally sent GUARDIAN journalist - (i.e., a serious journalist) - Jasper Jolly, in which they wind back on the mild hybrid issue, I cannot make you see it.
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You're right, I don't see what you're desperately trying to read into those statements. There is no evidence the car in question was a hybrid. There is no evidence the car in question was electric. No late statements provide any such evidence. Those are facts. Your frantic assumptions, insinuations, hand-waving, and inferences do not alter facts.
 
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