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Merged The MANDELA Effect.

NB. From my time, there was a phenomenon that no longer exists.

Movies would be edited by theatres to avoid damage, or to remove controversial scenes.
Some movies in Australia were 'souvenired' to within an inch of their lives, while the print was circulating around the cinema chains.

Movies are now circulated on locked down, read-only, hard drive 'cartridges' which cannot be edited, and only allow a limited number of screenings.

(Stumbled on this by accident at a local theatre, because I happened to see an employee pushing a cart with a number of these cartridges on it, and he explained how the system works.)

See 'Delivery Methods' on this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package
 
novaphile said:
Yep. And I have personal experience to back it up.

Somewhere between 1985 - 1989, I was a paid extra in a movie, that was made in Sydney.
(As was my girlfriend at the time).

I have searched high and low, and can find no evidence of that movie existing.

Nor can I find anything about a movie being started and not completed at that time.

Of course, now, I can't even remember the working title.

Recently, carefully watched the movie 'The Delinquents' because the plot sounded familiar, but have ruled it out because it was set in the fifties, and everyone was in costume.

So who knows? Maybe it was a movie made for TV and no one remembers it. Maybe it never saw the light of day.

More recently, I've come to the opinion that people remember different things about movies because different versions/edits were made, for different markets, with the same actors etc, but that doesn't explain the current 'Mandela Effect' re the genie movie.
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I used to work at a bus depot that was involved in a not commonly known movie (at least these days) called Emoh Ruo made in Sydney (spell it backwards lol), they had a lot of movie memorabilia from it in the staff lunchroom when I was there- at least it is still known about on the web, many I remember from my youth simply seem to have disappeared entirely with no web presence at all
(Garry Who was in it, more commonly known for being in Water Rats, Housos, Fat Pizza and the like lol)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123056/
 
gnome said:
On /r/MandelaEffect they have attempted to find common threads among people that do remember the movie. I don't recall them all just now but a bunch of people that claim to have seen the movie are pretty sure it involves a brother-sister pair that are upset their parents are separating. Apparently there was also a pool party near the end.

Trouble is, this is how urban legends form. The more people talk about it, the more the suggestions of other people influence them, until certain elements show up in almost all tellings.

Thermal, for the record, deciding you don't know is fine. I can't say I know for sure either. I'm fascinated with whether it's possible to know, and a part of me still says maybe. If a movie is found that is similar in theme to the "missing" film, that may account for so many people's memories.
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I don't think we can ever know, just find a more persuasive explanation. Gomer Pyle was cited upthread as saying "Shazam" slot. While I remember the show Gomer Pyle USMC, and can picture him saying "Gooooollly", and the actor was Jim Nabors (sp?), I don't recall anything else about the show, to Checkmite's point upthread about not recalling scenes.

The reason I am hesitant to assign Kazaam as the mixup (tempting though it seems) is that the great Mr O'Neill would have been 99% of that movie's draw, and not something to easily conflate with a B-list actor from shows I never watched.

And to the Shazam/Isis hour cited by others, that's the show I was referring to. It was played during Saturday morning cartoons lineup but I just lumped it in as one of the cartoons. It was actually live action.
 
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Thermal said:
If it were simply the power of suggestion writ large, we would have hundreds of similar cinematic misrememberings. But there's pretty much only the one, and it's widespread. Don't know about your experience, but mine is actually the opposite- people say "remember that Clint Eastwood movie where seven cowboys get hired as mercenaries, called True Grit?" and I reply, "no, that's the plot of the Magnificent Seven, and John Wayne was in True Grit, not Eastwood". "Oh, yeah, you're right".

How many widespread misrememberings of Jim Carrey movies where he plays a cross dresser called Mrs Crossfire are you aware of? When the list of popular Mandela Effects are rolled out, most did not apply for me, just a few. Jif peanut butter, Loony Tunes and all that, I remembered correctly. Why didn't the power of suggestion work for them, but did for the genie movie?
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There are others, though; they don't have the legs, but they're there all the same. I heard many of them when I tried semi-actively engaging with the "Mandela effect community" so to speak back when it was being treated as a curiosity and not dogmatic proof of dimensional shifting.

For instance, when I was a kid you were able to show off your nerdity by pointing out that the phrase "Beam me up, Scotty" never actually appeared in the show or any of the movies, no matter how popular it was. Same thing with "Luke, I am your father." You might be familiar with those very long-known-about inconsistencies; well guess what, they're Mandela effects now. There's also one involving the line "Houston, we have a problem" from the film Apollo 13, and another involving a woman in some Bond film or other having braces (she evidently doesn't, but so many people 'remember' her having them).

I think part of the reason that the Shazam thing is more widely known about compared to those, is that the latter movies and shows have enormous fanbases that don't misremember them because they rewatch them all the time, and this creates a kind of "herd immunity" so to speak, preventing mass suggestive confabulation from taking root.
 
Checkmite said:
There are others, though; they don't have the legs, but they're there all the same. I heard many of them when I tried semi-actively engaging with the "Mandela effect community" so to speak back when it was being treated as a curiosity and not dogmatic proof of dimensional shifting.

For instance, when I was a kid you were able to show off your nerdity by pointing out that the phrase "Beam me up, Scotty" never actually appeared in the show or any of the movies, no matter how popular it was. Same thing with "Luke, I am your father." You might be familiar with those very long-known-about inconsistencies; well guess what, they're Mandela effects now. There's also one involving the line "Houston, we have a problem" from the film Apollo 13, and another involving a woman in some Bond film or other having braces (she evidently doesn't, but so many people 'remember' her having them).

I think part of the reason that the Shazam thing is more widely known about compared to those, is that the latter movies and shows have enormous fanbases that don't misremember them because they rewatch them all the time, and this creates a kind of "herd immunity" so to speak, preventing mass suggestive confabulation from taking root.
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Honestly, this seems kind of obvious. This isn't going to be a thing with popular well loved movies that everyone remembers. It can easily be a thing with an easily forgotten movie that almost nobody remembers. There's no mandela effect where the man with no name had a name or was played by Lee Marvin because those are massively popular movies that have been rebroadcast hundreds of times.

Kazaam being remember as Shazaam, easy, they rhyme and the one is a word that's been around since the 40s. Sinbad for Shaq, I think Shaq would love for that to have been the case but it also makes sense for a silly kids movie to star a comedian rather than basketball star. Most of the Mandela effect examples are easily conflated things, lot easier to do with the obscure rather than well known.
 
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ahhell said:
Honestly, this seems kind of obvious. This isn't going to be a thing with popular well loved movies that everyone remembers. It can easily be a thing with an easily forgotten movie that almost nobody remembers. There's no mandela effect where the man with no name had a name or was played by Lee Marvin because those are massively popular movies that have been rebroadcast hundreds of times.

Kazaam being remember as Shazaam, easy, they rhyme and the one is a word that's been around since the 40s. Sinbad for Shaq, I think Shaq would love for that to have been the case but it also makes sense for a silly kids movie to star a comedian rather than basketball star. Most of the Mandela effect examples are easily conflated things, lot easier to do with the obscure rather than well known.
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"Luke, I am your father" and "beam me up Scotty" are misremembered from two of the most wildly popular and well loved franchises in history.
 
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Checkmite said:
There are others, though; they don't have the legs, but they're there all the same. I heard many of them when I tried semi-actively engaging with the "Mandela effect community" so to speak back when it was being treated as a curiosity and not dogmatic proof of dimensional shifting.

For instance, when I was a kid you were able to show off your nerdity by pointing out that the phrase "Beam me up, Scotty" never actually appeared in the show or any of the movies, no matter how popular it was. Same thing with "Luke, I am your father." You might be familiar with those very long-known-about inconsistencies; well guess what, they're Mandela effects now. There's also one involving the line "Houston, we have a problem" from the film Apollo 13, and another involving a woman in some Bond film or other having braces (she evidently doesn't, but so many people 'remember' her having them).

I think part of the reason that the Shazam thing is more widely known about compared to those, is that the latter movies and shows have enormous fanbases that don't misremember them because they rewatch them all the time, and this creates a kind of "herd immunity" so to speak, preventing mass suggestive confabulation from taking root.
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Your take certainly explains a lot of them. The Star Wars and Star Trek and Casablanca ones would have gotten by me because I wasn't familiar with the original source material, and only heard them repeated by others, so their misremembering became my assumption that they happened that way. The Bond film Moonraker had a character called Jaws with metal teeth, and when the girl smiles back at him, people remember her having braces because that is frankly a better scene. I didn't recall the braces on that one, and when it was told to me, I actually thought I must have missed it because it is so perfect.

Sinbad/Shazam interests me more because my recollection was specific to seeing an actual.poster, but shouldn't have come from that kind of misremembering prompt.
 
Thermal said:
"Luke, I am your father" and "beam me up Scotty" are misremembered from two of the most wildly popular and well loved franchises in history.
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I'd argue that misremembering a line is somewhat different than misremembering an entire movie. Also, I don't often see those brought up as examples of the mandela effect but rather as just factoids.

Also, the actual line is "No, I am your father", its really misremembering a single word. Trek, Kirk said various version of beam me up or beam us up, the only difference there is the addition of Scotty. Both cases just add context missing when you aren't actually watching the scene. Makes total sense why the original morphs into the line with added context.

I never meant to imply that I thought every instance of the mandela effect are due to a single cause, other than flawed memory of humans.

Some versions are tranformation of something uncommon to something more common. Berentain bears to berenstein bears, Kazaam to Shazaam then a little priming with "He remember the movie?"
Some seem to be transformation of a phrase taken out of context to add context.
Some are likely conflation of separate similar things. Mandela dying in the 80s seems to be a conflation of Mandela with another opponent of Apartheid that did die in prison in the 80s.
 
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"Shazam" has been around since 1940 and the first installment of the Fawcett version of the Captain Marvel comic. It stands for Samson, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achilles, and Mercury. And yes, Gomer Pyle did say it.
 
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Spektator said:
"Shazam" has been around since 1940 and the first installment of the Fawcett version of the Captain Marvel comic. It stands for Samson, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achilles, and Mercury. And yes, Gomer Pyle did say it.
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Surely no one is questioning that the word existed, though. The question is why it would be coupled with a movie with this specific actor generations later, that didn't exist.

The 80's and 90's kids that recall this wrongly weren't reading 1940's comics and had no idea who Gomer Pyle was, both being before they were born and not exactly on the tip of anyone's tongue in the following generations.

On the Ghosts and Haunted Houses thread, I think it was theprestige who commented that a great horror vibe is something being just slightly "off", for the unnerving feeling that comes with it. That's what intrigues me here; it's not some vague "wasn't there some kind of genie movie?" thing. I can see the damn poster clearly in front of me and remember the passing thoughts about it. That I know it's wrong is the weirdly unsettling part. Makes me wonder what else did or didn't happen that I recall with clarity.
 
ahhell said:
I'd argue that misremembering a line is somewhat different than misremembering an entire movie. Also, I don't often see those brought up as examples of the mandela effect but rather as just factoids.

Also, the actual line is "No, I am your father", its really misremembering a single word. Trek, Kirk said various version of beam me up or beam us up, the only difference there is the addition of Scotty. Both cases just add context missing when you aren't actually watching the scene. Makes total sense why the original morphs into the line with added context.

I never meant to imply that I thought every instance of the mandela effect are due to a single cause, other than flawed memory of humans.

Some versions are tranformation of something uncommon to something more common. Berentain bears to berenstein bears, Kazaam to Shazaam then a little priming with "He remember the movie?"
Some seem to be transformation of a phrase taken out of context to add context.
Some are likely conflation of separate similar things. Mandela dying in the 80s seems to be a conflation of Mandela with another opponent of Apartheid that did die in prison in the 80s.
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While I hear all that, I think that many are too quick to push a correlation without a causation. Take Mr Monopoly having a monacle. I think the mind tends to plug in details where none are specifically recalled. Mr Monopoly had a top hat and tails, and monocles just kind of "go with" that style of dress. But some argue that it is confusing with Mr Peanut. My somewhat belabored point here is that I think that's an ad-hoc rationalizing, much like Kazaam/Shaq for Shazam/Sinbad. We would need to demonstrate that the person remembering wrongly was even aware of the Shaq movie to suggest it was the source of conflation. That critical step is being skipped for a "just so" explanation to wrap it all up neatly.
 
It's funny that no one (or very few people) also consider Shazzan, a Hanna-Barbera Classic, which was a cartoon in the 60s. Although it may have been the cartoon Thermal was thinking about above.
 
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alfaniner said:
It's funny that no one (or very few people) also consider Shazzan, a Hanna-Barbera Classic, which was a cartoon in the 60s. Although it may have been the cartoon Thermal was thinking about above.
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Well in fairness, it ran for less than four months in the 60's, and even reruns were being shown for only another year and change, according to your link. It's whole short existence would have come and gone before most who recall the Shazam movie were even born.

Eta: your edit: I meant the Shazam/Isis Hour, which was live action but the commercials for it aired during my Saturday Morning Bugs Bunny/Road Runner cartoon watching. I lumped Shazam into the cartoon viewing slot without clarifying that
 
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I'd like to clarify, I don't think that people that half-remember a movie they think was called "Shazam" are CONFUSING it for the Shaq movie. Most of them consider "Kazaam" a separate film, and "remember" wondering about the "Shazam" film when "Kazaam" came out. So the connection is made by believers there, not by people trying to explain it after the fact.
 
So... 1001 Arabian Nights, the set of stories supposedly told by Scheherazade includes two very recognizable story lines. One of them is Aladdin, which features a genie in a lamp. The other is Sinbad the Sailor. It's not particularly surprising that a child's memory of those myths might confound the two stories, and end up associating the name "Sinbad" with the concept of "genie".

Kazaam came out in 96. In 94, Sinbad the actor hosted a "Sinbad the Sailor" movie marathon, and during that they wore a genie costume. Just to add some fuel to the fire, Disney's Aladdin came out in 92, had a spin-off TV show in 94 and 95, and a second Aladdin movie in 96.

I would say that memories of images of Sinbad in a genie costume got superimposed over images of Shaq as an actual genie, and that was all further confounded by the conflation of Arabian Nights based movies and shows that showed up at the same time.

I don't know why we'd end up also conflating "Kazaam" as a word with "Shazaam" and applying that to Sinbad.
 
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I think the Shazam for Kazaam is pretty obvious. They sound alike but one of those words has been in the popular culture for decades and the other is a neolgism for that movie.
 
gnome said:
I'd like to clarify, I don't think that people that half-remember a movie they think was called "Shazam" are CONFUSING it for the Shaq movie. Most of them consider "Kazaam" a separate film, and "remember" wondering about the "Shazam" film when "Kazaam" came out. So the connection is made by believers there, not by people trying to explain it after the fact.
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I do not believe that's true. Or not universally true; there may be some who think they're two different movies; but there's also any number of believers who do things like photoshop the Kazaam cover/poster with Sinbad to show what it is "supposed" to look like, and I've seen some ME "fan videos" which intercut scenes from the Kazaam movie or trailer with separate clips of Sinbad.
 
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