Donald Trump's bottomless pit of legal problems.

[bruto]

I thought the money in question was to pay a penalty or fine, not for the kind of taxes that such a person generally does not pay. I doubt very much if it's to pay anything that hasn't been ordered by a court.

 

[Craig4]

The uniform failure of the Trump's presidential immunity arguments is not great for him. Without conflicting decisions, it's a bit hard for the Supreme Court to step in and overrule multiple jurisdictions. They can but it's not something they're likely to do.

 

[JayUtah]

The uniform failure of the Trump's presidential immunity arguments is not great for him. Without conflicting decisions, it's a bit hard for the Supreme Court to step in and overrule multiple jurisdictions. They can but it's not something they're likely to do.

Nor would I think they'd overrule a circuit consensus in favor of making the executive more immune to judicial oversight. The Roberts court seems to be accumulating more power for itself.

 

[acbytesla]

The uniform failure of the Trump's presidential immunity arguments is not great for him. Without conflicting decisions, it's a bit hard for the Supreme Court to step in and overrule multiple jurisdictions. They can but it's not something they're likely to do.

More than that. Trump's lawyers have made the Presidential immunity argument before SCOTUS on multiple occasions and it has failed repeatedly.

 

[Segnosaur]

The uniform failure of the Trump's presidential immunity arguments is not great for him. Without conflicting decisions, it's a bit hard for the Supreme Court to step in and overrule multiple jurisdictions. They can but it's not something they're likely to do.

I agree, I think its unlikely the supreme court would overrule the lower courts over the issue of "presidential immunity".

What I COULD see them do is decide to take the case, then take a year to rule on it, at which point they say "we agree, immunity doesn't apply". (Sort of like the way they handled the president's tax returns... the law was pretty clear: tax records must be provided. The supreme court could have decided "nah, we won't bother to take the case", but they still took time to rule on it.). It allows them to rule against a Democratic president (should it ever happen) and keeps the office of president from gaining too much power, while at the same time doing SOMETHING to protect a republican (since it would mess up any scheduling of Trump's court cases, and perhaps push trials past the election).

 

[acbytesla]

I agree, I think its unlikely the supreme court would overrule the lower courts over the issue of "presidential immunity".

What I COULD see them do is decide to take the case, then take a year to rule on it, at which point they say "we agree, immunity doesn't apply". (Sort of like the way they handled the president's tax returns... the law was pretty clear: tax records must be provided. The supreme court could have decided "nah, we won't bother to take the case", but they still took time to rule on it.). It allows them to rule against a Democratic president (should it ever happen) and keeps the office of president from gaining too much power, while at the same time doing SOMETHING to protect a republican (since it would mess up any scheduling of Trump's court cases, and perhaps push trials past the election).

They could. But I'm convinced that even this court won't. Maybe Thomas and Alito might be tempted but I'm convinced that many Republicans would like to put a pin in the Trump balloon. And unlike politicians, they are not answerable to the maddening crowds. A simple almost anonymous denial of a writ of certiorari solves the problem.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

They could. But I'm convinced that even this court won't. Maybe Thomas and Alito might be tempted but I'm convinced that many Republicans would like to put a pin in the Trump balloon. And unlike politicians, they are not answerable to the maddening crowds. A simple almost anonymous denial of a writ of certiorari solves the problem.

The court have gotten what they wanted, they don't need T****y any more. They'd much rather a more traditional republitraitor puppet in the white house, just as racist, just as hate filled, just as much a prostitute for the ultra-rich, but just less likely to shout it from the bottom of their lungs.

 

[Segnosaur]

The court have gotten what they wanted, they don't need T****y any more. They'd much rather a more traditional republitraitor puppet in the white house, just as racist, just as hate filled, just as much a prostitute for the ultra-rich, but just less likely to shout it from the bottom of their lungs.

Conservative judges may not want/need Trump, but they also don't want the Democrats to have any real power (lest they manage to turn the court Liberal, either through stacking the court or through attrition.) So if the option is either Trump or a Democrat as president, they will prefer Trump. (And at this point a more 'traditional' republican is simply not an option.)

They may not overtly take steps to show favoritism towards Trump (since that might cause substantial blowback), but I can definitely see them making small steps to tilt things in his favor.

Hence my suggestion earlier... they may not rule in Trump's favor on issues of Presidential Immunity, but if they can delay a final judgement until after the 2024 election, it might help Trump and keep Biden from re-election (where he would nominate more liberal judges.)

Again, I point to Trump's tax returns as an example. The law was pretty clear. "Tax returns must be provided". It should have taken 30 seconds for the court to say "this is pretty obvious so we won't bother taking the case". But they took the case anyways, and took months and months to rule on it.

 

[Segnosaur]

They could. But I'm convinced that even this court won't. Maybe Thomas and Alito might be tempted but I'm convinced that many Republicans would like to put a pin in the Trump balloon. And unlike politicians, they are not answerable to the maddening crowds. A simple almost anonymous denial of a writ of certiorari solves the problem.

I am sure many republicans (such as Moscow Mitch) would be happy to be rid of Trump. But at this point of time its simply not an option. And those "wish Trump would disappear" republicans will still support Trump if he becomes the republican nominee.

And yeah, they don't have to "answer to crowds", but they want to protect their power, and if the Democrats manage substantial gains in congress and take the white house again, they could stack the supreme court and end the power of the conservatives.

 

[acbytesla]

The court have gotten what they wanted, they don't need T****y any more. They'd much rather a more traditional republitraitor puppet in the white house, just as racist, just as hate filled, just as much a prostitute for the ultra-rich, but just less likely to shout it from the bottom of their lungs.

Consider the following. Trump and his administration ignored court orders. Trump has said he intends to tear it all down. This would actually eviscerate the authority of SCOTUS. Why would they do that?

Other GOP politicians in Congress despise Trump, but have been afraid of his power, Trump is an idiot when it comes to good governing. But he is a master at marketing and they know that. Trump is so much like Hitler it is scary. Not that he intends to kill all the Jews, but he is ravenous for power and will stomp on anyone if they aren't entirely loyal to him.

But the courts do not have, nor do they want to be at his mercy.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Consider the following. Trump and his administration ignored court orders. Trump has said he intends to tear it all down. This would actually eviscerate the authority of SCOTUS. Why would they do that?

Other GOP politicians in Congress despise Trump, but have been afraid of his power, Trump is an idiot when it comes to good governing. But he is a master at marketing and they know that. Trump is so much like Hitler it is scary. Not that he intends to kill all the Jews, but he is ravenous for power and will stomp on anyone if they aren't entirely loyal to him.

But the courts do not have, nor do they want to be at his mercy.

This implies he has enough people to do that job, because he can't do it alone. And this gang needs to defeat a rising opposition to all his nonsense. So at this time it is all bluster, a front.

Americans are generally suckers for a great myth story, true or not. There is not much skepticism in the general US public either. And, of course, there's the brain-wiping bandwagon effect. There's a saying out here: "Convince the Yanks that black is white and they will die to protect it." That's Trump. He has so many Americans convinced of his bull-**** story because lying and swiving has been so successful for him in the past. They are all on board with him to the end, come hell or high water, and bugger any facts to the contrary ("fake news!"). He's hardly the first, but it always ends in disaster.

Of course, in hindsight, today will all reveal itself to be exceptionally stupid. Many people will have to ask themselves why they fell so hard for his lies. They may not like the answers...

Incidentally, this is also the reason I am on this forum. There are Americans here who are skeptical and can see all this clearly.

 

[acbytesla]

This implies he has enough people to do that job, because he can't do it alone. And this gang needs to defeat a rising opposition to all his nonsense. So at this time it is all bluster, a front.

Americans are generally suckers for a great myth story, true or not. There is not much skepticism in the general US public either. And, of course, there's the brain-wiping bandwagon effect. There's a saying out here: "Convince the Yanks that black is white and they will die to protect it." That's Trump. He has so many Americans convinced of his bull-**** story because lying and swiving has been so successful for him in the past. They are all on board with him to the end, come hell or high water, and bugger any facts to the contrary ("fake news!"). He's hardly the first, but it always ends in disaster.

Of course, in hindsight, today will all reveal itself to be exceptionally stupid. Many people will have to ask themselves why they fell so hard for his lies. They may not like the answers...

Incidentally, this is also the reason I am on this forum. There are Americans here who are skeptical and can see all this clearly.

Those that have fallen for Trump's BS are not engaging in skepticism. They are practicing ignorant cynicism. There is a difference. Skepticism is applying critical thinking skills in questioning what we know or believe.

Cynicism is born of ignorance and fear.

 

[Craig4]

I'm not getting my hopes up here but the Supreme Court of Colorado didn't seem to be buying Trump's arguments about insurrection or him not being an officer.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Once a grifter, ... . Trump's legal defense fund, the Patriot Legal Defense Fund, has spent less than $30k so far. Two-thirds of its expenditures were for a party. Do I have to name the location that the party was held?

https://www.alternet.org/2666578525/

 

[Orphia Nay]

Once a grifter, ... . Trump's legal defense fund, the Patriot Legal Defense Fund, has spent less than $30k so far. Two-thirds of its expenditures were for a party. Do I have to name the location that the party was held?

https://www.alternet.org/2666578525/

My first guess is 4 Seasons Total Landscaping.

Second guess Mar a Lago.

How'd I do?

Eta: clicked the link to check. Lol, Mar a Lago.

Could that party be for the second fundraiser Trump was planning to hold for Rudy Giuliani?

https://apnews.com/article/27724c04738a9d47114c3ea50b88b2ee

 

[a_unique_person]

Only the best crumbed, frozen seafood canapes.

 

[Segnosaur]

Trump's legal team has just gotten a little smaller, with the resignation of Tacopina.

i wasn't sure which thread to put this in, since Taco Penis was representing Trump in both the stormy Daniels hush money case and the E Jean Carol case. No reason for his resignation was given.

(I do have to wonder if it's because he now sees what a train wreck Trump is, after his closing statement in the NY fraud case, and does not want to have anything to do with it.)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...s-joseph-tacopina-as-lawyer-in-two-cases.html

 

[Norman Alexander]

Trump's legal team has just gotten a little smaller, with the resignation of Tacopina.

i wasn't sure which thread to put this in, since Taco Penis was representing Trump in both the stormy Daniels hush money case and the E Jean Carol case. No reason for his resignation was given.

(I do have to wonder if it's because he now sees what a train wreck Trump is, after his closing statement in the NY fraud case, and does not want to have anything to do with it.)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...s-joseph-tacopina-as-lawyer-in-two-cases.html

[wiseguy]

Yer-onner, Ima gonna haveta resign, like, becuz my client, dis doofus here, is a nutbag. An' I gotta reputashun to protect. Tank yuz and see yez later, yer-onner.

[/wiseguy]

(I'm not good at this accent thing. )

 

[JayUtah]

i wasn't sure which thread to put this in...

This "Dumpster fire" thread seems to be most appropriate.

I do have to wonder if it's because he now sees what a train wreck Trump is, after his closing statement in the NY fraud case, and does not want to have anything to do with it.

More likely: Trump is stiffing him on the bill.

[/wiseguy]
(I'm not good at this accent thing. )

Not nearly as bad as William Shatner in ST:TOS "A Piece of the Action." Don't quit your day job, but still well done.

 

[Segnosaur]

I do have to wonder if it's because he now sees what a train wreck Trump is, after his closing statement in the NY fraud case, and does not want to have anything to do with it.

More likely: Trump is stiffing him on the bill.

I had considered that.

But, I assumed that unlike some of Trump's other lawyers (not to name names, but it rhymes with Halina Abba), Taco Penis actually had had some success in past years, so I assumed he would be one that would have actually been paid.