Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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YOUR conspiracy theory that the diesel car was 'actually' a lithium powered hybrid...

If YOU upload a website that is a secondary source- the newspaper is a secondary source, a primary source is from the people concerned aka Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service- which put a statement up on THEIR OWN website
Do YOU work for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service- any statement made by you is a secondary source
Does the newspaper reporter work for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service- any statement made by them is a secondary source
Does the person who issued the statement on the Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service website work for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service???
 
Myriad said:
Well, no. Evidence from multiple threads over many years demonstrates that you are actually remarkably poor at that very thing.

Which is no great personal shortcoming. We're all good at some things and bad at others. I can't recognize and recall names and faces to save my life, and I'm well below average at the skills required to play basketball. The important thing for everyone is recognizing those weaknesses so that we can compensate and allow for them. I, for instance, don't go looking for invitations to pickup basketball games, let alone try out for professional teams, and when I do play I'm not boastful of my competitive skills as that would lead only to mockery when my actual abilities prove to be far short of even a moderate boast. Likewise, I haven't chosen a career in politics or business dealings that would require well-feigned camaraderie with a large network of acquaintances, competitors, and enemies. ("What was your name again?" doesn't endear.) When I am in a situation where I need to recall faces and names, I know I have to make a significant effort and use any available mnemonic aids. And if someone tells me I've misrecognized them I apologize, rather than insist that my name recognition skills are superior so they must be lying to me about who they really are.

It is a true fact that a fire service's posting of information about a fire on its own website is more authoritative than a newspaper article from an earlier time. Your insistence to the contrary is a falsehood ("false fact") that you have utterly failed to sift out. This is as obvious to everyone as the outcome if I were to play basketball one-on-one against any NCAA college basketball team player.
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I have no idea why you need to use extreme examples (remember the Russian commandos that were supposedly inhabiting your shed as your example of 'not all ships sinking are sabotage'?) Then you introduced the Los Angeles Highway no. 10 underpass fire as a supposed example of how 'intense fires happen every day'. I am glad you did because that fire illustrated perfectly how subeditors and even the Governor of California, read the police press statement, 'We suspect arson but are still continuing our enquiries' as absolute confirmation it was Arson. Now, it may well be Arson, based on historical precedent of homeless communities living underneath the arches. The point is, people here would be insisting that 'Governor Newsom said it was Arson, what is it you are not understanding?' One guy would be repeating this claim after every post as if a lie becomes a truth if repeated over and over.

Now then, did you have a chance to do my little exercise of objectively looking at the aftermath of that LA 'intense fire' bridge and ditto with the Luton Airport one? So would you not agree they are not at all of the same magnitude of fire damage?

So maybe it is not me that is 'remarkably poor' at that type of thing.
 
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Vixen said:
How is a source reliable if no author is named? It is patently obvious that Beds Fire web page is quoting Andrew Hopkinson in shortened form. IOW it doesn't need to supply a second source because we all know there is just the one source as of today's date. The only update is that some 30-something guy has been arrested and bailed 'as a precaution' on suspicion of criminal damage.
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The author is the Fire Service, It's an official communication from the organisation.

It is not quoting any third person.

It has been confirmed, in writing by the Fire Service that it was a diesel car that started the fire.
 
Foster Zygote said:
If I might take the liberty of adding one small interpolated in bold.

Vixen has been made aware of the superseding statement confirming that it was a diesel car on numerous occasions. But it's the turd in the punch bowl - it doesn't support the persona of armchair detective she visualizes for herself, so it must be ignored, to the point of pretending that no one else can see it either. When Vixen accused others of being emotionally invested in their arguments, it was grade A, uncut psychological projection.
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I'll say it again, the one and only official press statement as of today is as follows:

Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service revealed on Wednesday morning the cause of the blaze was a diesel car.*

“We don’t believe it was an electric vehicle,” Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said.

“It’s believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification. And then that fire has quickly and rapidly spread.”
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Independent

There have been no further updates since then, other than to announce an arrest and the decision to demolish the car park.

*Note, this is a subeditor's pithy headline.
 
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Vixen said:
If I were to upload a webpage stating the car was X, Y or Z, that is not an update, that is me paraphrasing the news report. It might be new information were I to say, 'Officer Smith has now said...'


But it is not.
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It has been confirmed by the Fire Service that it was a diesel car, the information has been available for weeks.

If it is incorrect why don't you get in touch with the fire service and get it put right?
 
Vixen said:
I'll say it again, the one and only official press statement as of today is as follows:

Independent

There have been no further updates since then, other than to announce an arrest and the decision to demolish the car park.

*Note, this is a subeditor's pithy headline.
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It has been confirmed on their official website that it was a diesel car.
Why does that rank below a press statement given previously?
 
novaphile said:
Again for the willfully stupid.



https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/london-luton-airport-car-park-fire

And also:


https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/major-incident-declared-luton-airport
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It is not authored; i.e., it is simply a potted time line summary based on what was already released in the one and only press statement on that particular matter.


You: happy with potted bios. Me: I am interested in the finer detail of what the Fire Report will have to say so I will wait until the investigation is concluded and the report is out.
 
Vixen said:
It is not authored; i.e., it is simply a potted time line summary based on what was already released in the one and only press statement on that particular matter.


You: happy with potted bios. Me: I am interested in the finer detail of what the Fire Report will have to say so I will wait until the investigation is concluded and the report is out.
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It is not a 'potted time line summary'

It's an official statement by the Fire Service that says it was a diesel car that started the fire.

Lie about it as much as you want but we can all read it.
 
Vixen said:
How is a source reliable if no author is named? ...
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What effort have you made to establish who owns and controls what is published on the website in question? Have you routinely sought out similar information on all the websites you use as sources?

This is pathetic. Your 'argument' is either the absurd "what if the fire service didn't imagine it mattered what they said despite all the conspiracy nuts on social media yelling that it was an EV battery fire?" or the less charitable and full on loony-tunes "what if the fire service are all part of the Big Battery conspiracy?".
 
Dabop said:
YOUR conspiracy theory that the diesel car was 'actually' a lithium powered hybrid...

If YOU upload a website that is a secondary source- the newspaper is a secondary source, a primary source is from the people concerned aka Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service- which put a statement up on THEIR OWN website
Do YOU work for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service- any statement made by you is a secondary source
Does the newspaper reporter work for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service- any statement made by them is a secondary source
Does the person who issued the statement on the Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service website work for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service???
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This is a primary source: a direct quote from an authorised official:

“We don’t believe it was an electric vehicle,” Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said.

“It’s believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification. And then that fire has quickly and rapidly spread.”


A subeditor's news headline is not. Nor is someone summarizing Mr. Hopkinson's words and misleading you into thinking he has since given a fresh press release. If that was the case, it would have been reported by the national press, such as the BBC and the quality news channels. The only news they have reported is the quote above (= the primary source, Mr. Hopkinson by name and rank).
 
Vixen said:
This is a primary source: a direct quote from an authorised official:

“We don’t believe it was an electric vehicle,” Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said.

“It’s believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification. And then that fire has quickly and rapidly spread.”


A subeditor's news headline is not. Nor is someone summarizing Mr. Hopkinson's words and misleading you into thinking he has since given a fresh press release. If that was the case, it would have been reported by the national press, such as the BBC and the quality news channels. The only news they have reported is the quote above (= the primary source, Mr. Hopkinson by name and rank).
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The official announcement on the fire service website is not a 'subeditor's headline' It is not someone 'summarizing Mr. Hopkinson's words'

It is a separate, official announcement by the Fire Service involved as to the type of car that started the fire.

The fire service website is not a newspaper, it is not the press, quality or otherwise. It is the official online presence of the fire service.

Stop repeating the same lies, people might think you are just a tedious troll.
 
Vixen said:
I'll say it again, the one and only official press statement....
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Weasel words. Take the unnecessary word "press" out of that carefully misleading claim and it would become a lie. This is how you set out to deceive. The fire service's official statement, published for anyone to read, not filtered through secondary sources like the press, is that a diesel car started the fire, not a hybrid.
 
Vixen said:
If I were to upload a webpage stating the car was X, Y or Z, that is not an update, that is me paraphrasing the news report. It might be new information were I to say, 'Officer Smith has now said...'


But it is not.
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What we have is your secondary source reporting an oral statement by a representative of Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue, saying that the fire started in a diesel vehicle but qualified by saying that "at this stage [it is] subject to verification". Then, the following day, we have an unqualified statement on the organisation's website saying that it was a diesel vehicle. The later statement supersedes the earlier one. That's how time works.

As I said, what sort of moron could fail to understand this?
 
theprestige said:
How is this source reliable if no author is named? They're just paraphrasing news reports.
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It is a 'how to' page. Anyone visiting this page is not looking for a news update on a developing situation. If you want news, go to a news website, such as the BBC.

The primary sources here would be DVLA and Gov.UK. To check whether the information is authentic it is very easy to cross check it with the official DVLA and Gov. UK webpages, as they cite primary law. However, I already provided this poster with those official webpages but he seemed most disgruntled about it for some reason. This webpage might perhaps be a little more user friendly for him and from the POV of a pundit.
 
It was a PRELIMINARY news statement, made only 2 days after the fire...

(Plus your own link says it was a diesel... even at that time...)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/what-caused-the-luton-airport-fire-b2429048.html

Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service revealed on Wednesday morning the cause of the blaze was a diesel car.

“We don’t believe it was an electric vehicle,” Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said.

“It’s believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification. And then that fire has quickly and rapidly spread.”
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The ONLY person here pushing the CONSPIRACY THEORY that it was a lithium hybrid is YOU...
 
Vixen said:
The primary sources here would be DVLA and Gov.UK.
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Similarly, the primary source for the Beds Fire and Rescue Service is the Beds Fire and Rescue Service.

Unless that undermines your conspiracy theory, in which case just dismiss it as the office temp messing around or something.

That's how logic works.
 
Vixen said:
It is a 'how to' page.
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No it isn't. It's advice on rules and regulations, pros+cons and, perhaps, who to approach to get the job done. It isn't about how to do the conversion.

Yet again you posted 'some old stuff' rather than an answer. You do this to protect your ego, I'd guess.
 
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