Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Dabop said:
The twisting and turning to try and keep her conspiracy theory alive is astounding... rejecting an actual statement from the fire brigade, put up on their website- in order to be able to keep using outdated info from a newspaper article (NOT a primary source by any stretch of the definition) is simply astounding....
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There was a time when it might have been astounding. There is such an accumulation of these posts in several threads over several years on this forum that now it is merely Vixen. Reality is a concept with which our Vixen is only passingly familiar.
 
Steve said:
There was a time when it might have been astounding. There is such an accumulation of these posts in several threads over several years on this forum that now it is merely Vixen. Reality is a concept with which our Vixen is only passingly familiar.
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Hubris on the other hand...
 
Vixen said:
As for 'guys on the internet', I am quite capable of sifting false fact and opinion from confirmed fact.
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Well, no. Evidence from multiple threads over many years demonstrates that you are actually remarkably poor at that very thing.

Which is no great personal shortcoming. We're all good at some things and bad at others. I can't recognize and recall names and faces to save my life, and I'm well below average at the skills required to play basketball. The important thing for everyone is recognizing those weaknesses so that we can compensate and allow for them. I, for instance, don't go looking for invitations to pickup basketball games, let alone try out for professional teams, and when I do play I'm not boastful of my competitive skills as that would lead only to mockery when my actual abilities prove to be far short of even a moderate boast. Likewise, I haven't chosen a career in politics or business dealings that would require well-feigned camaraderie with a large network of acquaintances, competitors, and enemies. ("What was your name again?" doesn't endear.) When I am in a situation where I need to recall faces and names, I know I have to make a significant effort and use any available mnemonic aids. And if someone tells me I've misrecognized them I apologize, rather than insist that my name recognition skills are superior so they must be lying to me about who they really are.

It is a true fact that a fire service's posting of information about a fire on its own website is more authoritative than a newspaper article from an earlier time. Your insistence to the contrary is a falsehood ("false fact") that you have utterly failed to sift out. This is as obvious to everyone as the outcome if I were to play basketball one-on-one against any NCAA college basketball team player.
 
Mojo said:
That was published on October 12th. It may be everything you know so far, but your willful ignorance of anything that's been published since doesn't mean that everyone else is unaware of it.
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If I might take the liberty of adding one small interpolated in bold.

Vixen has been made aware of the superseding statement confirming that it was a diesel car on numerous occasions. But it's the turd in the punch bowl - it doesn't support the persona of armchair detective she visualizes for herself, so it must be ignored, to the point of pretending that no one else can see it either. When Vixen accused others of being emotionally invested in their arguments, it was grade A, uncut psychological projection.
 
Dabop said:
The twisting and turning to try and keep her conspiracy theory alive is astounding... rejecting an actual statement from the fire brigade, put up on their website- in order to be able to keep using outdated info from a newspaper article (NOT a primary source by any stretch of the definition) is simply astounding....
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It's been the same with virtually every conspiracy theorist I've ever encountered, from Apollo denial, to flat earth, to anti-vaxxers, to 5G mind-control nuts. I remember when that ******* who claimed that MMR vaccines caused autism was confronted with the Danish study comparing a quarter of a million people who'd had the MMR vaccine, with a quarter of a million who had not, and detected no statistically significant difference in the rate of autism diagnosis between the two groups. His response was, "I don't give a ****".

Here we've even seen the initial JAQing, meant to establish the CT's impartiality and commitment to truth - a sort of performance piece meant to establish, in real time, their cred as a hard skeptic who is persuaded by the weight of evidence. But they're just acting as their own "stranger" in the crowd, who goes from skeptic to enthusiastic endorser of Dr. Flimflams's Miracle Cream after trying a sample.
 
It's like not being able to grasp linear time. God only knows what kind of idiot you have to be to not understand time's arrow but here we are.
 
Again for the willfully stupid.

The investigation into the cause of the fire continues, but it has been determined that the vehicle that first caught fire was a diesel car. Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service’s fire investigation team will be working closely with Bedfordshire Police to get a better understanding of what happened on Tuesday evening, and why.
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https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/london-luton-airport-car-park-fire

And also:
Update at 3:30pm:

Two fire engines, an aerial platform and the incident command unit remain at the scene of the fire currently.

Crews continue to work with airport fire service to monitor hot spots.

The fire service can confirm the initial vehicle involved in the fire was a diesel car.
An investigation to determine the cause of the fire is underway.

Main roads around the area are all open.
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https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/major-incident-declared-luton-airport
 
At a certain point in discussions (and that point here was long ago), it becomes obvious that someone is either 1)immune to logic, and hell-bent on being willfully obtuse, or 2) a troll.

I leave it to you to decide.
 
Vixen said:
I do understand that different car models have their lithium battery in different places. I understand that a Range Rover Evoque does have its battery near the front passenger.

I am aware that this can change in a different year.
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You have failed to demonstrate any of this.

Here is everything we know so far (the correct and full version):

Independent
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As many others have pointed out, this is untrue.
 
LondonJohn said:
LMAO

Witness the futility of pointing out a) the value & reliability of primary-source statements, and b) the arrow of time, when it comes to this particular poster's obstinate refusal to understand both those things.
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How is a source reliable if no author is named? It is patently obvious that Beds Fire web page is quoting Andrew Hopkinson in shortened form. IOW it doesn't need to supply a second source because we all know there is just the one source as of today's date. The only update is that some 30-something guy has been arrested and bailed 'as a precaution' on suspicion of criminal damage.
 
Mojo said:
That was published on October 12th. It may be everything you know so far, but your ignorance of anything that's been published since doesn't mean that everyone else is unaware of it.
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If I were to upload a webpage stating the car was X, Y or Z, that is not an update, that is me paraphrasing the news report. It might be new information were I to say, 'Officer Smith has now said...'


But it is not.
 
Dabop said:
The twisting and turning to try and keep her conspiracy theory alive is astounding... rejecting an actual statement from the fire brigade, put up on their website- in order to be able to keep using outdated info from a newspaper article (NOT a primary source by any stretch of the definition) is simply astounding....
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What conspiracy theory? There is none because you have been given very little information about the cause of the fire in the first place. However, you believe it has all been confirmed because of subeditors rephrasing the one and only statement as though it was something fresh. Rather like the the US subeditors proclaiming 'LA Fire No. 10 Underpass Fire was arson'. When at that stage police were only suspecting arson.
 
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