Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Dabop said:
I used to drive a tilt tray with a company that had a 'heavy haul rotator' combination towtruck and 'semi crane' often used in accident retrievals/rollovers etc as well as being able to lift and pull broken down large semitrailer prime movers- still with their trailers attached...

When used as a 'crane' it had extending outriggers, and they took a LOT of care on placing and levelling it before deploying the boom- not only does the truck have to be levelled (even a few degrees of 'list' can have dramatic impacts on the stability and weight lifting ability) but you have to assess the surface of what you are lifting from- tar is actually quite a poor surface when it comes to 'point loads' (which is what the outrigger feet represent) and can 'punch through', which can lead to the outriggers sinking and the whole thing possibly tipping over...
And that only had a 12m boom fully extended!!!

I hate to think of what a 64m boom with directed 'water jet' on top adding an axial thrust to the top of a couple of tonnes a minute or more would require to safely set up!!!, even their smaller 32m boom versions (which would only be about halfway up to the fire) is over DOUBLE the height of our boom- you don't just pull up and crank it into the sky LOL
(even then there are 'charts' on the control panels door of the rotator, showing how the angle of lift (both vertical angle ie tilt and the 'swing angle' ie off the back is more stable, directly off the sides almost as much, 45 degrees off any corner greatly reduces stability) and the ground 'load bearing' ability for various surfaces...

All carefully checked before they even start moving a single lever, get it wrong and well- you get to have an 'up close and personal' meeting with the ground...

(I got to run with it quite a few times as the 'offsider' aka 'gopher' (gopher the chains, gopher the shackles, gopher the straps lol), you need a LOT of training and certification before you are allowed to actually operate these things yourself...they preferred to have multiple people onsite when it was being used as a rotator (rather than just a heavy lifter) as more eyes means more safety for all concerned)
ETA not ours, but a very similar one, this one belongs to Ron Pratt who has a youtube channel (LOL- I am subscribed to several 'tow company' channels) for those who don't know what a rotator is...
[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/26k8dS9M/maxresdefault-502222391.jpg[/qimg]
Lifting a school bus on two winches, the car behind it on the aux boom winches, and he has another one at the rear deck as well still free (plus an underlift on the back for towing trucks etc)
That firefighting rig is literally over four times higher (Rons truck isn't at full height or full extension there)
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So what is this guy doing here?


https://kalkine.ca/news/general-new...mer-queries-after-luton-airport-car-park-fire
 
W.D.Clinger said:
This fact is worth repeating:











The fire started in a diesel vehicle, as was confirmed by the Fire Service over a month ago.


That's an interesting mode of argument, but it doesn't really work.

You don't win an argument by getting your critics to roll around on the floor, laughing uncontrollably.
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See here as from 1:03:

https://x.com/fairchargeuk/status/1714574622278983729?s=20

I wonder if you understand what 'confirms' means.
 
Vixen said:
So what is this guy doing here?


https://kalkine.ca/news/general-new...mer-queries-after-luton-airport-car-park-fire
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A picture (undated, no time stamp) of a guy in a firelift- shows what????

Nothing about that contracts anything I said- and DOES contradict your (mistaken as usual) implication that within seconds of arrival it would be in action- these high lifts (there is only one in London that could have reached anyway apparently- where is it based???) take TIME to set up safely- and one with such a high reach would take considerably longer to set up a stable base compared to our 'little' 12m one lol which could take anything from 10-15 mins to half an hour in bad conditions (on steeper slopes etc, you might have to do several 'lift and chocks' to get level, alternating from leg to leg...
As usual, your 'fact finding' has literally no resemblance to the reality of using such equipment...

ETA- and one thing to note as well- we don't 'ride' the lift, only pick up loads with it... putting a person on the end increases the requirements by a magnitude of order I would suspect- we drop an already crashed car- big whooptido... drop a fireman or two 65m to the ground (likely killing them) and heads would roll...
 
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Vixen said:
I do understand that different car models have their lithium battery in different places. I understand that a Range Rover Evoque does have its battery near the front passenger.

I am aware that this can change in a different year.

Here is everything we know so far (the correct and full version):

Independent
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It has been known for weeks that it was a diesel car.
It was confirmed by the Fire Service on their official website.
 
JayUtah said:
The thrill of being an armchair detective is that you're instantly qualified in any subject that comes up, and should be given appropriate credit for it.
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Nothing to do with being an armchair detective. It is about the art of debate.

Here's an exercise for everyone. It is about using on your own senses and developing observation skills. Look at each of the following two videos carefully. The first, is the underpass fire in Los Angeles Highway no. 10, and the second, is a drone view of the burnt out Luton Airport car park. Forget anything that has been said about either incident. Just use own your eyes to observe what you see, without evaluation or drawing a conclusion. Just an impartial descriptive narrative of what you see in one or two sentences or paragraphs. Note, in particular, the condition of the concrete and steel in the two different infrastructures.

LA Freeway 10 fire, from about 0:37 onwards.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/13/us/i-10-freeway-la-fire-closure-monday/index.html

Luton Airport Fire:

https://x.com/BBCLondonNews/status/1716816815370768473?s=20

BBC London
@BBCLondonNews
New drone footage has been released showing the aftermath of a fire at Luton airport car park.

#lutonairport #luton #dronefootage
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Part two of the exercise will follow.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Your information is out of date.
It's been confirmed that it was a diesel car by the Fire Service.
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Your information is a bowdlerization of this information:

“We don’t believe it was an electric vehicle,” Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said.

“It’s believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification. And then that fire has quickly and rapidly spread.”
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Independent
 
Vixen said:
Your information is a bowdlerization of this information:

Independent
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LMAO

Witness the futility of pointing out a) the value & reliability of primary-source statements, and b) the arrow of time, when it comes to this particular poster's obstinate refusal to understand both those things.
 
Vixen said:
Nothing to do with being an armchair detective. It is about the art of debate.
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The art of keeping the pot boiling I think you mean. Stubbornly conspiracist contrarianism is not 'the art of debate'.

Now you want to set us homework as if you were teacher. There must be faint few worse suited to the role. Presumably it's just a provocation you calculate will get more reactions. The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about, right?
 
Vixen said:
Your information is a bowdlerization of this information:

“We don’t believe it was an electric vehicle,” Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said.

“It’s believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification. And then that fire has quickly and rapidly spread.”
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That's a porkie, as you well know. Andy's source was the Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service website.

Here's the verification, published by Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue the day after your source was published.

The investigation into the cause of the fire continues, but it has been determined that the vehicle that first caught fire was a diesel car.
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https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/london-luton-airport-car-park-fire
 
Vixen said:
Here is everything we know so far (the correct and full version):

Independent
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That was published on October 12th. It may be everything you know so far, but your ignorance of anything that's been published since doesn't mean that everyone else is unaware of it.
 
Vixen said:
Your information is a bowdlerization of this information:

Independent
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Why would you go with an out of date secondary source like an old newspaper story rather than what the Fire Service are saying on their own official website?

Stop ******* trolling
 
The twisting and turning to try and keep her conspiracy theory alive is astounding... rejecting an actual statement from the fire brigade, put up on their website- in order to be able to keep using outdated info from a newspaper article (NOT a primary source by any stretch of the definition) is simply astounding....
 
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