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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

From the Likud web site


https://www.knesset.gov.il/elections/knesset15/elikud_m.htm

Remember Likud is not the most extremist member of government. It is fairly clear what Likud's policy is in their own words. They will not negotiate on statehood for Palestinians, Israel extends from the sea to the river Jordan (note from the river to the sea is an anti-semitic slogan, but from the sea to river is pro-zionist). Their partners in government are not going to allow them to waver on this.

I am not familiar with either of the people you mention Ben Shapiro appears to be racist, homophobic and islamophobic - pretty much opposed to my existence. Douglas Murray seems to be a misogynist, racist and islamophobic. I am not taken to favour their views.
Here are two female voices that are much closer to your history than white men, but who deliver a polar opposite view to yours. My youtube algo is to blame, I love their discussion, but in your world view they must be wrong?
Ayaan Hirsi Ali and a medical student.
The first few minutes outlines the path of the discussion.

https://youtu.be/PfsQNqBXD18?si=-QE-oMGSOl9rzkKU
 
Yes it is... it depends on what propaganda outlet was giving you the alternative facts you believed...





And yet Begin and Arafat the CAREER TERRORIST criminals shared Nobel PEACE prizes (with others) for shaking hands in their old age after a long and bloody career of terrorizing and killing and tyrannizing.... and getting rewards for their crimes.





What does that war of 1973 have to do with the HUMAN RIGHTS of refugees to return to their homes and farms from which they were




What about the war crimes committed by Syrians and Egyptians in that war.

Anyway I was referring to the 6-day war.

And all the Israeli settlers have been removed from Gaza, though the West Bank is another story.
 
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What about the war crimes committed by Syrians and Egyptians in that war.


So when someone you do not like commits a crime... that gives a warrant for someone you like the right to commit a similar crime and not call it a crime?

Whataboutism is another form of "alternative facts".


Anyway I was referring to the 6-day war.


The 6-day war was started by Israel...

You don't get a right of return when you lose a war.


And it was the war in which Israel added more refugees to the ones it already made in 1948.

The ICC says it is a war crime to make refugees by starting a war and then never allow them to come back after the war is over... this is called the war crime of Ethnic Cleansing... not to mention it is also a crime against humanity.

The right of return is a principle in international law which guarantees everyone's right of voluntary return to, or re-entry to, their country of origin or of citizenship. The right of return is part of the broader human rights concept freedom of movement and is also related to the legal concept of nationalit


And all the Israeli settlers have been removed from Gaza,


Yes... in order to make it a CONCENTRATION CAMP for the Palestinians in there who were most of them REFUGEES from the 1948 and 1967 Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.



though the West Bank is another story.


And what is that story pray tell... is it that of Apartheid and Ethnic cleansing and Settler Colonialism and daily racism and humiliation and oppression and more land theft and farm snatching and house demolitions?

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IDF soldiers filmed themselves as they abused seven West Bank laborers who were caught as they attempted to enter Israel without a permit, in an area south of the South Hebron hills.

The footage shows the Palestinian men stripped naked or half-naked, blindfolded and handcuffed, and screaming in pain. One of them is being dragged on the ground.

A screenshot from the video shows a soldier stepping with his boot on the head of one of the Palestinians, while another is pointing a weapon at him.

In another scene of violence caught on camera, a soldier kicks a blindfolded Palestinian man in the stomach, then spits on him and insults him in Arabic.

In one instance, a religious Jewish reserve soldier hugs a blindfolded, handcuffed Palestinian on the shoulders, and dances with him in circles while he plays religious music on his phone. He asks him, “Why don’t you dance” as the blindfolded man loses his balance....

...
 
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali and a medical student.
The first few minutes outlines the path of the discussion.

https://youtu.be/PfsQNqBXD18?si=-QE-oMGSOl9rzkKU


:sdl:

Ali has just (a few days ago) declared conversion to Christianity after having many years ago declared she was an atheist and became the darling of atheist conferences and book buyers and media interviews....

Her reasons for becoming a christian... she does not like the LGBTQ people striving for their human rights and them demanding free speech for wokism.

And here are the first 50 seconds of the 4 years old video...

... an event on the future of free speech ... campus to advance both freedom and human rights in the US and around the world... an emphasis on nurturing critical thinking


I am guessing Ali only pretended to value the above things while that PRETENSE made her money.

And now she can see more money to be made by selling out and start to deny freedom, and free speech to those she does not care about.

And thus proving that the only critical thinking she has is for how to make money by pretending to whomever is willing to give her some.
 
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70% of the population displaced. 4 toilets for 50,000 people, and no water. Children with burned faces and amputated limbs being immediately discharged to 'live' in those conditions.

Israel may be winning the war against Hamas, but losing the war of public opinion.

But hey, if that's what it takes...

Just remember folks - any criticism of Israel is antisemitism by definition. Do you want to be called a Nazi an anti-Semite? Not me, which why I fully support Israel in whatever they do.

If you are a child in Gaza: Please get out now - maybe head for the sea and swim for it (yes, we know that may be difficult with your limbs blown off...). If you don't then what happens to you will be your fault.
 
70% of the population displaced. 4 toilets for 50,000 people, and no water. Children with burned faces and amputated limbs being immediately discharged to 'live' in those conditions.

Israel may be winning the war against Hamas, but losing the war of public opinion.

But hey, if that's what it takes...

Just remember folks - any criticism of Israel is antisemitism by definition. Do you want to be called a Nazi an anti-Semite? Not me, which why I fully support Israel in whatever they do.

If you are a child in Gaza: Please get out now - maybe head for the sea and swim for it (yes, we know that may be difficult with your limbs blown off...). If you don't then what happens to you will be your fault.
The complicating factor is Hamas scripted this.
 
The complicating factor is Hamas scripted this.


No you have your history way off.

Christian Zionists started scripting this back in the 17th century.

And went on to do so through the 19ths and 20th century and then followed the Settler Colonialists and now in the 21st century Netanyahu is completing it for them along with the new Christian Zionists.

And even way way way... in fact CENTURIES before even the Christian Zionists of the 17 century... Christians have been making life hell for Europeans who did not kiss the feet of the statues of their almost naked bloodied ill begotten son of a celestial DEMON.... causing them misery and even trying to extirpate them.

This CHRISTIAN INSANITY compelled those Europeans to imitate the other Christians oppressed by the Christians in wanting to go kill a few indigenous autochthonous peoples of other continents and take their lands to make for themselves Settler Colonies where they can be themselves just as racist and xenophobic and heinously murderous as the people who were oppressing them... and cluelessly justify it by their religions and their SELF-RIGHTEOUS FANATICISM which was the reason in the first place for them being oppressed by the other Europeans of the same self-righteous fanaticism and cruelty as them.

So... nope... you are arrantly mistaken as evinced by REALITY and HISTORY... which of course you will never read a single one of the citations I made for.... because otherwise it might make you question the perfidy of the propaganda and "alternative facts" you have imbibed for "over 50 years".
 
No you have your history way off.

Christian Zionists started scripting this back in the 17th century.

And went on to do so through the 19ths and 20th century and then followed the Settler Colonialists and now in the 21st century Netanyahu is completing it for them along with the new Christian Zionists.

And even way way way... in fact CENTURIES before even the Christian Zionists of the 17 century... Christians have been making life hell for Europeans who did not kiss the feet of the statues of their almost naked bloodied ill begotten son of a celestial DEMON.... causing them misery and even trying to extirpate them.

This CHRISTIAN INSANITY compelled those Europeans to imitate the other Christians oppressed by the Christians in wanting to go kill a few indigenous autochthonous peoples of other continents and take their lands to make for themselves Settler Colonies where they can be themselves just as racist and xenophobic and heinously murderous as the people who were oppressing them... and cluelessly justify it by their religions and their SELF-RIGHTEOUS FANATICISM which was the reason in the first place for them being oppressed by the other Europeans of the same self-righteous fanaticism and cruelty as them.

So... nope... you are arrantly mistaken as evinced by REALITY and HISTORY... which of course you will never read a single one of the citations I made for.... because otherwise it might make you question the perfidy of the propaganda and "alternative facts" you have imbibed for "over 50 years".

Your grasp of history is hopelessly tenuous. And I’m being kind.
 
I'd like to remind you Hamas has said that it would accept a two state solution as did the PLO, but Likud and the current Israeli PM are clear they will not.

So, yes by Israel.

(Please see multiple postings quoting Likud policy and Hamas statement of principles 2017 to evidence the actual facts.)

It has already been pointed out to you that Hamas' latest charter rules out a two-state solution.
It's also aposite to note that Likud can be voted out of power, whereas Hamas cannot. If the majority of Israelis want a government that supports a two-state solution, they can have one: the people of Gaza have no such choice.
 
European Zionists and Zionism has nothing to do with the damned Bible other than distorting its fairy tales and lying about its sordid content in order to hoodwink imbeciles who also know nothing about its fables into giving the benighted nod to their Settler Colonialist crimes against humanity.

None of which has anything to do with my question to you.
Reading comprehension fail.

Already done... but you will never read it...

Leumas, do you actually know what genocide means? Because that link- which I have looked at, though I have no intention of buying the book (are you getting a commission for this?)- provides no evidence of genocide at all. In fact, the opposite:"720,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes".
So I will repeat: do you actually know what genocide means?

because if you ever do... you might feel some compunction to ...stop lying

Don't be such a child.
Which specific post of mine are you claiming is a lie, and on what basis are you making this claim?
Otherwise, kindly withdraw the accusation.
And grow up.
 
This might be entirely coincidental to this war, but a relative of mine works in a senior position for the largest manufacturer of prefabricated houses in Australia. They have just had a “massive tens of million dollars” order from Israel for prefabricated homes. Immediate delivery.

Yes this might be business as usual for a growing Israel. But also might be to accommodate war refugees. I don’t know and neither does he. His job is to ramp up production.

They are also producing a huge number of homes for pacific islands, but this is another topic.
 
Zionist Jihad

Yes this might be business as usual for a growing Israel. But also might be to accommodate war refugees. I don’t know and neither does he. His job is to ramp up production.


Israel right now is also in need of Tzitzit manufacturers to supply the Zionist Jihadists...

Evidently the Zionist Jihadists driving the tank below with its turret adorned with the tzitzit, are ones of the sects of Judaism who refuse to add the Tekhelet because the Messiah has not yet told anyone what sea animal (or maybe the nut of a plant) is needed to make it.

Maybe after all this blood shed, the Messiah will finally show up and teach what poor sea creature will be required to make Tekhelet.

Australia has plenty of them if the hillazon is indeed the Murex or even the Cuttlefish as some think...

But the Australian sea snails and cuttlefish are safe for now... unlike the poor Palestinians.

[imgw=350]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_5128265584bbbdd900.png[/imgw]​


ETA: In case anyone is not sure the tzitzit on the tank are indeed tzitzit... look at the video... it is @minute 01:55




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do you actually know what genocide means? Because that link- which I have looked at, though I have no intention of buying the book (are you getting a commission for this?)- provides no evidence of genocide at all. In fact, the opposite:"720,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes".
So I will repeat: do you actually know what genocide means?

Genocide
...is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly...

"Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups."​

According to Esther Brito, the way in which states commit genocide has evolved in the 21st century and genocidal campaigns have attempted to circumvent international systems designed to prevent, mitigate, and prosecute genocide by adjusting the duration, intensity, and methodology of the genocide. Brito states that modern genocides often happen on a much longer time scale than traditional ones - taking years or decades - and that instead of traditional methods of beatings and executions less directly fatal tactics are used but with the same effect.
 


They already know because I already gave it in this post and this post and this post and showed the intent of doing it in this post and this post and linked to the history of it being done over and over in this post and in this post... and the current actual occurrence of it in this post and this post...

But of course they will never read any of it because then they might have to admit the Zionists' lies and crimes.


ETA: not to mention this post too.
 
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