Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Do the Fire Service involved have a range rover fire engine?
Do they have a 56 meter hydraulic platform?

Were either involved in the incident?

A hydrant is the thing in the street that the fire service connect their hoses to .
Buildings usually have a dry riser and not a pressurised fire main.

It matters not as the Fire Service have confirmed it was a diesel car that started the fire.
 
Ask yourself...

An invitation to speculate is not evidence. If you want to know why other evidence is not available, find out.

It was thought that...

Who exactly is thinking this and how do you know that?

Likewise, you have not been told the make and model as that would be a dead give away and we can't have Tata's 1m sq foot gigafactory for lithium batteries plan undermined, can we...?

Ignorant, handwaving speculation being presented as if it were fact: "Vixensplaining."
 
My professional standards holds me to protect my objectivity and in the context of being a layman, being easily persuaded by a tabloid news headline would fall under the heading of 'threat to objectivity' the clever headline that misleads. For example: 'LA Fire was Arson' as reported all over the US, when what Gov Newsom actually said was 'at this preliminary stage'. So, objectivity is important. When reading a website, you have to be aware of (a) what is the purpose of this website, what is it wanting to communicate? and (b) the source of the information conveyed: is it a 'Plain English' version of something a lot more complicated; is a source credited and (c) am I looking for information, eg., 'what does Beds Fire and Rescue do?' or 'Interesting facts about Beds Fire and Rescue' or even, 'About us, Fun Facts, Meet Our People!' or (d) News.

You might be aware that in the US there is a difference delineated between what is classed as 'news' and what is a 'magazine'. In the USA, tabloids, such as the DAILY HORROR MAIL would be classed as 'magazines' so borderline is their news content. In the UK, outlets wanting to call themselves 'news broadcasters' have to demonstrate impartiality and a standard of fact checking against fake news. Hence, you will always see the BBC providing the proper quoted source and not a ham-fisted 'Gotcha!' style junk to catch the reader's eye. As a recent example, the SUN had a headline, 'BRAVERMAN WILL JAIL HATE DEMONSTRATORS' (or similar) but she doesn't actually have that power thus was a typical misleading subeditor's headline. You need to be aware that if you are looking for 'information' on whether it is safe to leave your car at a car park, then Beds Fire and Rescue webpage will reassure you that the fire at Luton was a diesel, because the aim is not to let you know how the Fire and Police investigation is coming along but to convey a belief, as initially expressed by Fire Chief Hopkinson. If you want actual news on how the investigation is progressing: bad luck! All you have is the preliminary press statement as there is a gag until the investigation is concluded. News outlets cannot even discuss the driver as he has been arrested so that is potentially subjudice so newspaper lawyers would block attempt to publicise any information about him or interviews.

AIUI the Land Rover Evoque does have a mild hybrid battery under the left passenger seat which is where the flames in the CCTV image appear to be emanating.

Bear in mind that UK cars, unlike in Europe and the USA, have a right hand drive as it still drives on the left hand side of the road.

It was a diesel car that started the fire, it has been confirmed by the Fire Service involved.
 
My professional standards...

...do not exist. You do not enjoy a reputation or presumption of honestly or competence. You have been caught in innumerable lies. You have been corrected, with explanations, by people far more knowledgeable and experienced than you on nearly every subject on which you profess expertise, yet you almost never acknowledge error or fact.

You're an uninformed armchair detective with delusions of grandeur. Nothing more.
 
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This is silly. Fires are not nearly so predictable. When I was on my township's rescue squad, we saw everything from sustained burning for a half hour to sudden explosions when there was no evident fire. You just don't know. Eight to fifteen minutes for containment are average times, not some kind of absolute.



Good suggestion, but this thread would not exist if you heeded it.

Oh wow, you are a fireman? Hence your handle? Cool.

That is some next level reading comprehension failure.
 
Why are you ignoring me again vixen? Stop being so rude, I've asked you questions you're ignoring.
 
...do not exist. You do not enjoy a reputation or presumption of honestly or competence. You have been caught in innumerable lies. You have been corrected, with explanations, by people far more knowledgeable and experienced than you on nearly every subject on which you profess expertise, yet you almost never acknowledge error or fact.

You're an uninformed armchair detective with delusions of grandeur. Nothing more.

It's funny how those same professional standards presumably led her to cite "self-professed" dealership and garage employees posting comments on the Daily Mail site as experts on car fires.
 
I wonder if Vixen realizes that after the fire spread, it certainly did ignite battery powered cars. I mean the odds of there being some hybrids or pure battery cars in that parking garage is essentially100%. Everyone knows this. And... no one has denied this. We all are aware that lithium batteries are flammable.
 
But don't you see, you are not believing your own eyes. The CCTV image clearly depicts what looks like a classic lithium fire (orange, red flames shooting out with grey smoke) and not a diesel one (thick billowing black clouds). In addition, were the car a completely conventional derv it would not self combust like that. Even if it was an unexpected electrical fault (which to be fair would not be surprising in a Range Rover model, if that is what it was, given its recent history of recall), the Fire Brigade, which arrived in eight minutes (verified fact) should have had no problem in putting it out, even if it had spread to one or more other cars. So definitely more probably a mild hybrid for it to become so intense and uncontrollable within minutes, two empty fire extinguishers as evidence of this.

Hopkinson's statement was obviously one of 'reassuring the public' (i.e., let's not panic about EV's, arson or terrorism) and reassure the public that 'we do not believe it was an EV. It is believed to be accidental and a diesel at this stage, subject to verification'.

Note the gag in naming the model and make or even the driver.
You're lying again.
 
Do the Fire Service involved have a range rover fire engine?
Do they have a 56 meter hydraulic platform?

Were either involved in the incident?

A hydrant is the thing in the street that the fire service connect their hoses to .
Buildings usually have a dry riser and not a pressurised fire main.

It matters not as the Fire Service have confirmed it was a diesel car that started the fire.
IIRR, and I may be wrong, only London has a 64m ALP. There are 16m and 32m platforms elsewhere.
 
A lot of words to say that there is nothing in your training that gives you any expertise on this, it's all conjecture. You make claims and expect us to take them at face value, yet no expertise for us to take you seriously.

Bolding mine I notice you changed your story. You first stated that the fire was from the front left in the motor compartment, now you claim that it was in the left middle. I know where the batteries are located, because I'm the one who mentioned it in this thread after you claimed front left.

As for knowing that UK has RHD cars, I work in the industry and have dealt with this for a long time. Considering we ship cars to multiple countries, I am sure I know a bit more about requirements in the various regions.


I'll say one thing: Vixen is remarkably persistent in her excruciatingly embarrassing attempts to "educate" people who are vastly better qualified, better informed and better logicians than her. Brava!
 
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