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The Ramaswamy Stratagem

Stacyhs said:
Resorting to physical attacks is not acceptable. What I'd like to see is Dems calling them out immediately with no mincing of words. "Mr. Trump, that is a blatant lie. Your incessant
and pathological lying has been well recorded. During your presidency you told over 30,000 documented lies. I doubt you can even recognize when you're lying anymore which makes you an extreme danger to this country."
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Like I said, short-term catharsis, long-term damage. And Democrats have called out the lies. The media has done that. It doesn't make a dent. Are you really just learning that the fake tough guy routine is the selling point? The false bravado, performative masculinity, the pageant patriotism are what their supporters want.

But, is there a way for the Democrats to tap into that without sacrificing actual policy or lowering the discourse even further? A way to behold the beast without becoming it?
 
Donal said:
But, is there a way for the Democrats to tap into that without sacrificing actual policy or lowering the discourse even further? A way to behold the beast without becoming it?
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Yes. Basically just the Dark Brandon meme. Any kind of imagery that stands up to the bullying and says "we're going to fix things whether you like it or not." It's effective, but there will be a faction of Democrats who'll hate it because it dispenses with the conciliation they've based their entire political worldview on. The underlying conflict is that the GOP are not our friends and they do not want to be our friends and they are not going to be our friends no matter what we say or think or do, and the Democratic party needs to decide as a whole whether to make peace with that.

If we can, a little push back is all that's required, we don't have to go full counter-fascist or anything. As much as they're trying to be a credible threat the GOP are still more Nazi cosplay than Nazi, and it's only the indecisiveness of Democrats and unwillingness to stand against them that have allowed them to succeed as far as they have.
 
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With all due respect to Michele Obama, when they go low, we step on their heads and keep walking
 
Donal said:
Like I said, short-term catharsis, long-term damage. And Democrats have called out the lies. The media has done that. It doesn't make a dent. Are you really just learning that the fake tough guy routine is the selling point? The false bravado, performative masculinity, the pageant patriotism are what their supporters want.
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How do you know it hasn't made a dent? I'd say Trump's loss in 2020 is a pretty good indication that it did.

No, I'm not 'just learning' that as my earlier post made clear:

It's not surprising because we've heard it directly from many of their supporters: they like their aggressive and confrontational style. They see it as being strong and confident. They like them acting like male silverback gorillas beating their chests to demonstrate their strength and dominance. They prefer shows of strength over intelligence, competence, capability and integrity. With Ramaswamy, this certainly seems to be the case as he has not shown much competence or integrity.
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Donal said:
But, is there a way for the Democrats to tap into that without sacrificing actual policy or lowering the discourse even further? A way to behold the beast without becoming it?
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I don't think so. That he is a pathological liar and calling him out on his lies is paramount to winning in 2024. His lies are what caused Jan 6, he lied about having a health care plan, he lied about Covid, etc and these and other lies are what need to be front and center in the Dem campaign.
 
Stacyhs said:
How do you know it hasn't made a dent? I'd say Trump's loss in 2020 is a pretty good indication that it did.
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Do you mean when he won the second most votes of all time?

No, I'm not 'just learning' that as my earlier post made clear:
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You're still hung up on Trump. This crap has been going on for years before him. It will go on after him. Gingrich brought this to Congress in the 70s.

I don't think so. That he is a pathological liar and calling him out on his lies is paramount to winning in 2024. His lies are what caused Jan 6, he lied about having a health care plan, he lied about Covid, etc and these and other lies are what need to be front and center in the Dem campaign.
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You're still giving them first mover advantage. Chasing them on their lies just adds more noise and turns people off and still puts you on the defensive. It's like Reagan said, "if you're explaining, you're losing." Republicans will just firehose their lies and Democrats and the media play fact-checker whack-a-mole.
 
Donal said:
Do you mean when he won the second most votes of all time?
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No, I mean he lost the popular vote in 2016 by about 3 million votes, but lost by an even greater margin, 7 million, in 2020. Clearly many who voted for him in 2016 did not in 2020.

You're still hung up on Trump. This crap has been going on for years before him. It will go on after him. Gingrich brought this to Congress in the 70s
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As my post very clearly stated: "It’s a phenomenon that existed on the right before Trump (and will likely endure long past his era) but which Trump was able to supercharge."
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Yes. Basically just the Dark Brandon meme. Any kind of imagery that stands up to the bullying and says "we're going to fix things whether you like it or not." It's effective, but there will be a faction of Democrats who'll hate it because it dispenses with the conciliation they've based their entire political worldview on. The underlying conflict is that the GOP are not our friends and they do not want to be our friends and they are not going to be our friends no matter what we say or think or do, and the Democratic party needs to decide as a whole whether to make peace with that.

If we can, a little push back is all that's required, we don't have to go full counter-fascist or anything. As much as they're trying to be a credible threat the GOP are still more Nazi cosplay than Nazi, and it's only the indecisiveness of Democrats and unwillingness to stand against them that have allowed them to succeed as far as they have.
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I recall reading a comment online (though I don’t remember where) during the height of the pandemic, when there was an overt, nationwide appeal to people’s patriotism, and civic mindedness, and humanity during the days and weeks of rapidly-rising death numbers, empty store shelves, hospital staff burnouts by the hundreds, and the general feeling of upheaval and fear.

There were the TV commercials of people singing from city fire escapes, of candlelit masked faces, of messages of hope and love written on the sides of buildings in three-feet-high letters. It was everywhere, the push towards and embracement of communal courage and strength and determination. The comment was in response to the frequently-spoken sentiment during such times of stress and struggle.

“We’re all in this together.”

“No we’re not. We’re not in this together.”

By the context, you could tell the author didn’t just think the positive-minded words he was responding to were insipid, but that he was actually disdainful, couldn’t care less about the wellbeing of those he didn’t already dislike if not hate.

It was eye-opening.
 
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Stacyhs said:
RV's says, if elected POTUS, he'll shut down:

Dept. of Education
FBIUSDA Food and Nutrition Service
US Nuclear Regulatory Commission
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Interesting to see at least one conservative get on board the #DefundThePolice train, even if it's a bit late to go anywhere but the terminus.
 
Sean Penn, who is well known as both a political and social activist, said he doesn't find VR very interesting. He reminds him "of a high school student who's impressive because he got an A in something he'll never apply in life."
 
Stacyhs said:
Sean Penn, who is well known as both a political and social activist, said he doesn't find VR very interesting. He reminds him "of a high school student who's impressive because he got an A in something he'll never apply in life."
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Astonishingly enough, I find I care even less what Sean Penn thinks about anything than I do about what Vivek Ramaswamy thinks about anything. Who knew? that there are levels of uninterest below "none".
 
I'm assuming the his plan is to repeat what he did to Alzheimer's patients only this time to the nation. He'll buy into a bunch of companies that would do well after he ***** up the government. Then, he'll sell about when the courts or Congress shut his efforts down but only right before he shorts those companies.
 
d4m10n said:
Interesting to see at least one conservative get on board the #DefundThePolice train, even if it's a bit late to go anywhere but the terminus.
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It's funny how you wish to interpet the Democratic defund the police campaign as attempt to get rid of the police rather than an attempt to ensure that the funds allocated are being properly utilized towards a goal of more effective and empathetic policing.
 
January 6 an inside job, and the list goes on

How many conspiraloon theories can be uttered in forty seconds? Quite a few, actually. Here is a link to an article by medicinal chemist Derek Lowe, who has been blogging about the pharmaceutical industry for about twenty years at Science, on Ramaswamy's company.
 
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