General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

[Foster Zygote]

A wisible wed hewwing!!!

 

[Leumas]

"committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".....

Hamas is not a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.

Hamas is a political and military organization, and as such it is ok to wipe them from the face of the Earth, just as it was ok to wipe out the Nazis.

The cartoon below is from a previous occasion... one out of NUMEROUS GENOCIDES Israel has committed LONG BEFORE there was a Hamas as an excuse that would only dupe ones who do not know facts of reality or of the reality of history... or even the rules of decency or humanity or morality.

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[theprestige]

The cartoon below is from a previous occasion... one out of NUMEROUS GENOCIDES Israel has committed LONG BEFORE there was a Hamas as an excuse that would only dupe ones who do not know facts of reality or of the reality of history... or even the rules of decency or humanity or morality.

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Appeal to political cartoon isn't an argument you see very often. Probably because most people realize that political cartoons aren't reliable narrators.

The only people who find political cartoons convincing are people who are already convinced. Why on earth would you deploy them in a conversation with people who are not yet convinced? Shouldn't you be looking for arguments your audience might actually accept?

 

[Ziggurat]

Appeal to political cartoon isn't an argument you see very often. Probably because most people realize that political cartoons aren't reliable narrators.

The irony is that there's a whole genre of Palestinian propaganda photos where they stage things like baby shoes among rubble. It's like a form of modern art.

 

[Roboramma]

RED HERRING!!!

Your false attribution of a quote is not a red herring. It's a clear indictment of every post you've ever made in this forum. Dishonesty has consequences. If you don't want people to call out your lies, stop making them.

 

[Roboramma]

When you admit that Israel has in the past and continues to commit genocide right now... you will realize that the above bare assertion is nothing but a risible red herring.

Bare assertion? Dude, you claimed that Netanyahu said something that he didn't say. Anyone who opens your link can see that the quote isn't from him. Brainster demonstrated your lie with evidence everyone on the forum has access to. That's not a "bare assertion" it's demonstrated fact.

 

[Dr.Sid]

Ah, Leumas occupying another thread. But to be fair, he's at least heavily on topic. Good luck guys !

 

[Leumas]

Bare assertion?...

Yes... and a red herring too...

... Israel is not committing genocide...

The above statement is the very stark lie...

As irrefragably proven in this post.


But then you went on denying the irrefutable FACTS using the risible red herring below

...Israel has committed no acts with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.

Which is a yet again another glaring lie


And you asked....

Or perhaps you can demonstrate that intent?

To which I gave you many IRREFUTABLE proofs in this post.

QED!!!

And since then you and others have done nothing but try to pull the wool over the UNDENIABLE FACT ... Israel has declared intent and has committed genocide... which is only the latest out of numerous acts of genocide they have and are currently committing...

Sorry to be the messenger of reality... sometimes reality is hard to accept... but red herrings and invectives will not change the FACTS that Israel has many times and is currently committing Genocide... as inescapably demonstrated by history and actual facts...

The following cartoon was done in 2007

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[Roboramma]

Pointing out your lies in your attempt to defend your claim that Israel is committing genocide is not a red herring from the question of whether or not Israel is committing genocide. And demonstrating that it's a lie by quoting from your own link that the person being quoted wasn't the person you claimed, is not bare assertion, its demonstrating with evidence, which is the exact opposite of bare assertion.

 

[Leumas]

Pointing out your lies in your attempt to defend your claim that Israel is committing genocide is not a red herring from the question of whether or not Israel is committing genocide. And demonstrating that it's a lie by quoting from your own link that the person being quoted wasn't the person you claimed, is not bare assertion, its demonstrating with evidence, which is the exact opposite of bare assertion.

Thanks for admitting that Israel is indeed committing (and has committed many times before) genocide as evinced in my posts (and here)and now you agree to it.

Well done... it is honest to accept one's mistakes (and here and here) when the evidence proves one is in error.

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And over and over and over and over again and again and again... done on the Palestinians by the Zionists.




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[Brainster]

Pointing out your lies in your attempt to defend your claim that Israel is committing genocide is not a red herring from the question of whether or not Israel is committing genocide. And demonstrating that it's a lie by quoting from your own link that the person being quoted wasn't the person you claimed, is not bare assertion, its demonstrating with evidence, which is the exact opposite of bare assertion.

It's pretty obvious that he knows his arguments are weak; hence the mendacity.

 

[Planigale]

The terrorist attack by Hamas on 7/10 was described as genocidal. Hamas murdered 1,200 Israelis, 0.0001% of the Israeli population. The IDF reports that around 300 of those killed (25%) were active service military. Children were murdered, about 40 (0.03%) of those murdered. I don't have any figures for number of civilian women killed.

In contrast the professional IDF with sophisticated weaponry and careful targetting of Hamas combatants have killed 12,000 Gazans, about 60% of which are women and children, 4,000 Gazan children (40% of total deaths) have been killed by the sophisticated and highly targetted IDF attacks; 0.5% of the children in Gaza have been killed by the IDF, many more will have been injured or orphaned. At least those injured children in hospitals are safe as they receive treatment, because IDF is respecting health care facillities allowing them power and medical supplies so children don't die because there is no power to keep medical equipment working.

I think it is clear that the terrorist attack by Hamas in contrast with the highly professional IDF was a genocidal attack which seems to have resulted in a surprisingly large number of children being killed.

 

[Roboramma]

It's pretty obvious that he knows his arguments are weak; hence the mendacity.

Yep.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Oh please. Israel is already a pariah for much of the world, and it can never come back because the reason it's there in the first place is it's Jewish.

you mean, if your reputation is bad already, why not live up to it?

 

[Leumas]

It's pretty obvious that he knows his arguments are weak; hence the mendacity.

Yep.

The Longest hoax running is Zionism and the egregious perfidy is Israel created by Zionists thumping (cluelessly) the fairy tales about a celestial ethnic cleansing, slave mongering, voodoo rituals prescribing, witches proscribing, racist tribal sky daddy and friend of a mythical Sumerian peripatetic pimp... and his zombified ill begotten son who will come back to take a mulligan if only ENOUGH GENOCIDE is perpetrated to create knee-deep lakes of human blood... Netanyahu is well on the way to achieve that.... will this ill begotten Zombie come back now? Let's See!!!

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[Ziggurat]

you mean, if your reputation is bad already, why not live up to it?

I mean that judging by reputation is a bad metric, and antisemitism is on the rise globally because that's what usually happens when things go badly and people need a scapegoat. And things are going badly globally.

Israel's priority is not to protect its reputation. Their priority is to protect their people. You aren't providing helpful guidance towards that end.

 

[bobdroege7]

The cartoon below is from a previous occasion... one out of NUMEROUS GENOCIDES Israel has committed LONG BEFORE there was a Hamas as an excuse that would only dupe ones who do not know facts of reality or of the reality of history... or even the rules of decency or humanity or morality.

Calling it genocide doesn't make it so.

Perhaps you can find it on this list?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

 

[Leumas]

Calling it genocide doesn't make it so.

And denying it is genocide when it is... does not make it NOT genocide...

It is genocide whether you like it or not because IT IS... according to REALITY and morality and humanity and decency and reason and rationality and... did I already mention morality and humanity and decency and rationality... and according to this too...

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part.

In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".

These five acts were:
1. killing members of the group, 2. causing them serious bodily or mental harm, 3. imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, 4. preventing births,
5. and forcibly transferring children out of the group.
Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.

So please stop denying REALITY and facts and decency and humanity and morality and reason.

Perhaps you can find it on this list?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

And you know full well why that is the case... for decades upon decades...

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[theprestige]

The following cartoon was done in2007

People have been saying Israel is committing genocide for a long time. Such a long time that a reasonable person would wonder why they haven't actually made any real progress yet.

It's been over ten years since that cartoon was done. By 2017, Gaza was still remarkably un-genocided. Does it really make sense to call it a genocide, when no actual genocide is being accomplished?

 

[Nessie]

The BBC goes inside the Al-Shifa hospital, which the IDF have occupied and searched for 24 hours. No tunnels, instead;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67436154

"three small stashes of Kalashnikovs, ammunition and bullet-proof vests - he says they have found around 15 guns in all, along with some grenades."

They could have been left there by injured Hamas seeking treatment. So much for the hospital being used as a shield to mount attacks on Israel and to hide a Hamas control centre.