Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Vixen said:
DAILY TELEGRAPH seems to think it is one car that is falling through the floor not dozens.
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So an official, superseding statement from the fire service has to be dismissed because it's somehow not sufficiently authoritative. But Jenny, who has a part-time job at the Telegraph writing short captions for their social media video clips, is somehow an authority on the whole tragedy.

Typical conspiracy crap: find one tiny bit of allegedly bellwether evidence and hang everything on that to the exclusion of all else.
 
JayUtah said:
So an official, superseding statement from the fire service has to be dismissed because it's somehow not sufficiently authoritative. But Jenny, who has a part-time job at the Telegraph writing short captions for their social media video clips, is somehow an authority on the whole tragedy.

Typical conspiracy crap: find one tiny bit of allegedly bellwether evidence and hang everything on that to the exclusion of all else.
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Sometimes you see one of these posts that just sums it all up.
 
Vixen said:
AFAICS the NHTSA is setting out to 'reassure the public'. It is called 'change management' where you try to allay the fears of people afraid of change.
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Called it. I knew any systematic study that contradicted the conspiracy theory that gives its followers that warm, fuzzy feeling of intellectual superiority would be dismissed as obviously being part of the ever growing sinister plot. So you're going to stick with qualified experts, like people who post in the Daily Mail comments section and self-identify as having worked at a dealership or a garage.

Oh, and since we're now implicating U.S. governmental agencies in a plot already involving the U.K. Prime Minister and his wife, can we just admit that you've now expanded your conspiracy theory to include basically all governments?

I am not interested in being manipulated.
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But you are being manipulated - by your own desire to believe that you're among the very few too smart to be fooled by the sinister agencies controlling reality from behind the curtains.

Only interested in the actual facts.
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No, you're not. You're only interested in "facts" that support that feeling that your armchair detective work (or that of other people on conspiracy theory sites) has uncovered a deep state plot that almost everyone else has been fooled by.

Not propaganda and reassurance that 'most car fires are gasoline and diesel, doncha know?'
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But most car fires are gasoline and diesel vehicles. Dismissing that fact as "propaganda" just demonstrates the lie that your arguments are fact driven. You would rather maintain willful ignorance than admit any errors or lack of qualification. You've desperately tried to portray the very notion of a diesel car fire as suspicious by its very nature. But it's not. Statistically it's a very common occurrence, and has been since long before hybrids and EVs were available for commercial sale.

Or you could, you know, provide some actual evidence that gasoline and diesel fires are highly unusual, and that the great majority vehicle fires involve hybrids or EVs.

I'm expecting that the answer to that is it must be true because They® have hidden all the evidence and replaced it with disinformation about the common nature of gasoline and diesel fires.

Just the facts will do, thanks.
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Clearly they won't do. Not for you. You're doing what every conspiracy theorist pseudo-scientist does. You're starting with the conclusion that you want and then trying to find evidence that leads to it, while making excuses to dismiss any evidence that doesn't.

Adult here.
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It seems to me an adult would be able to admit when they know next to nothing about technical matters related to, or that they believe to be related to, their arguments. Just as one example, the "pressure ignites diesel" claim.
 
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Exactly. Vixen claims to care only about facts are shown to be a lie any time anyone bring facts that disagree with her personal narrative up. Then those facts are dismissed and vixen tries to ignore them as best she can, or simply lies about them.

Vixen, you're a liar, and we all know you're a liar. Your lies have been demonstrated many times. Sometimes you even lie about what people have said as if we can't just go back and look.
 
Steve said:
Worked for the Jaegers in Pacific Rim. (That was a documentary, wasn't it?)
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No, you're thinking of Atlantic Rim.

ETA: no, my mistake. Atlantic Rim wasn't a documentary, it was found to cause cancer in laboratory animals.
 
Pacific Rim was the story of when the human race faced an invasion of monsters but thankfully the Transformers generation knew the solution would be a huge robot that punched things.

It made more sense than this thread.
 
In related news, an elevated section of Interstate 10 near downtown Los Angeles is closed indefinitely, following a fire that melted steel guardrails and has probably weakened the reinforced concrete support structure.

Neither the LA Fire Department nor any city officials nor California governor Newsom have stated that the fire definitely wasn't a burning lithium battery from an electric or hybrid car. Therefore we can safely assume that it was, and it's being covered up.
 
Myriad said:
In related news, an elevated section of Interstate 10 near downtown Los Angeles is closed indefinitely, following a fire that melted steel guardrails and has probably weakened the reinforced concrete support structure.

Neither the LA Fire Department nor any city officials nor California governor Newsom have stated that the fire definitely wasn't a burning lithium battery from an electric or hybrid car. Therefore we can safely assume that it was, and it's being covered up.
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Luton - LA...... both start with L. C'mon Vixen! Ferret out the connection for us.
 
Myriad said:
In related news, an elevated section of Interstate 10 near downtown Los Angeles is closed indefinitely, following a fire that melted steel guardrails and has probably weakened the reinforced concrete support structure.

Neither the LA Fire Department nor any city officials nor California governor Newsom have stated that the fire definitely wasn't a burning lithium battery from an electric or hybrid car. Therefore we can safely assume that it was, and it's being covered up.
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Until the investigation is complete we won't know for sure, but the video I watched appears to show a vehicle that burned a hole through the overpass and dropped down into the storage yard below. The insane speed at which this occurred and complete lack of sooty black smoke is proof that it must have been the lithium battery in a hybrid or EV that did it. The gaping hole in the roadway would make it impossible to deny that a lithium battery was the cause, but the authorities are covering it up. ;)

However even if it turns out not to have been a lithium battery that started the fire, some of the parked cars that subsequently caught fire almost certainly were EVs, which explains why the conflagration was so hard to extinguish. It had nothing to do with acres of wooden crates stacked high under the bridge.
 
Gov. Newsom held a televised press conference and announced a preliminary finding of "malice intent" in the I-10 fire, and preliminary structural analysis indicating a total demolition of the damaged section may not be necessary. According to the rules of reasoning that seem to prevail in this thread, that means that any subsequent official statement from any state office, agency, or investigator can never be trusted. And since Newsom used an ungrammatical phrase instead of the more palatable "malicious intent," that means the governor's statement "must" have been written by lawyers intent on a coverup, but he botched his lines.
 
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Gov. Newsom held a televised press conference and announced a preliminary finding of "malice intent" in the I-10 fire, and preliminary structural analysis indicating a total demolition of the damaged section may not be necessary. According to the rules of reasoning that seem to prevail in this thread, that means that any subsequent official statement from any state office, agency, or investigator can never be trusted. And since Newsom used an ungrammatical phrase instead of the more palatable "malicious intent," that means the governor's statement "must" have been written by lawyers intent on a coverup, but he botched his lines.
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You are catching on nicely. You may yet become a top level conspiracy theorist.

What do you think Vixen? Is the potential there?
 
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