Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Foster Zygote said:
Vixen, do you really expect anyone to believe - no, do you really believe that a Li-ion battery in a car could melt through the floor of the garage so fast that you wouldn't see any molten concrete or steel dripping through before it could all come through? Do you think that a Li-ion battery fire is so intense that it would "melt" through the concrete floor in an instant, and that a fire that staggeringly hot would still leave a recognizable car to fall through?

The Daily Mail is written by and for idiots, so their headline is predictably sensationalized. "Moment Range Rover explodes" (they didn't even get the make right) sounds way more dramatic than "Moment span collapses due to massive, prolonged fire involving numerous cars".

And why do you keep ignoring the NHTSA study showing that Li-ion vehicle fires are, at worst, no more destructive than in gasoline or diesel vehicles? Is NHTSA part of the sinister plot? Did they fake that study six years ago at the behest of a foreign auto manufacturer?
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AIUI It was one and a half hours to the floor collapsing.
 
phiwum said:
Ah, this twitter guy has 8,000 or so followers. So, we know that videos posted by someone with 8,000 followers are trustworthy, while those with only 232 followers are unreliable.

How many followers are enough to make video tweets reliable exactly? Or is the blue check mark the mark of integrity?
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His video was used by the worldwide press, including BBC, ITV, APF and Reuters. He confirmed it was his original and he has the copyright. Unlike the guy who claims to have the film from the front of the vehicle and the person who claims to have deciphered the number plate and identified the make and model. Learn to spot fake from authentic.
 
phiwum said:
Right, it's not mutually exclusive.

But let's go with the working hypothesis that the prime minister (or maybe someone even higher up) wants to deflect blame from Land Rover. That's why, after all, you said the arrest was made, to distract attention away from the manufacturer.

Why would you publicly claim that the fire was a result of vehicle fault on the same day? Why not just remain silent on that point? If you're trying to avoid attention on the manufacturer, mentioning vehicle fault is a poor strategy.

Are these people just stupid? They announced the arrest like the higher-ups ordered, but they forgot to strike mention of vehicle fault from the press conference notes?

Your theory makes little sense.
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They are just giving you bland platitudes. Within hours a fire fighter told a journalist it was probably a fuel line leak (just like the one in Liverpool). Learn to differentiate considered speculation from confirmed fact.

It is clear the brand is being protected for now or it would have been named.

It is only speculation it was a Range Rover. Some say it is a Tesla from its outline.
 
phiwum said:
Different buildings, different situations, fires can behave differently. Were I a fire expert, perhaps I could see something suspicious in these different rates of spread or perhaps not. But like you, I don't know much about fires. Unlike you, I don't expect every parking garage fire started by an ICE car to spread at exactly the same rate.
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The spread of fire is quite predictable. This is why fire prevention and safety measures work. When they go wrong it will be to do with human error.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Just to re-iterate what the likes of Catsmate have already said: this is utter nonsense, totally not true and in no way a reflection of how the UK public sector deals with personal information (veteran of many years of public sector IG training here, who lives with someone who's done even more of it, both of whom have used their knowledge to hit lax organisations over the head and change their practice).
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Your name and address is in the public domain. People can look up your address on the Electoral Register, which is also available online. People can also subscribe to 191 and look up anybody's address. People can look up your birth and marriage certificates, and other personal details from the Public Records Office. The owner of your property can be found on the Land Registry by anybody. You can opt out of your details being visible on the Electoral Register and you can ask the Preferential Mailing lists to take your name and address off their 'marketing spam' lists. None of this breaks the DPA.

I would not be surprised if anyone can apply to DVLA through the correct means to identify a vehicle should you have good reason, such as a hit and miss or damage to your property. Insurers have a way of identifying the other driver.

It is nonsense to claim that it is a national security risk and a breach of law for this information to be public. It is probably not online but through special application because there is no centralised database to cope with idle internet surfing.
 
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Mojo said:
But the link to your car registration isn't.
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As I pointed out, this has nothing to do with 'national security'.

Here you can ring up the national population centre and ask for anybody's address. When I worked in insolvency practice we had no problem in finding people and discovering what assets they owned via Land Registry and it was all quite legal.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I was post 125cc limit so it was a 'big bike' for me (insurance costs kept me on lower capacity bikes for years).
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As soon as I passed I sold the RD and got a Kawasaki Z650. Lovely bikes, same bike as the legendary Z1 but smaller capacity and slightly lighter. A good Z1 goes for around £20k now but a good Z650 is only about £6k.
 
Vixen said:
Your name and address is in the public domain. People can look up your address on the Electoral Register, which is also available online. People can also subscribe to 191 and look up anybody's address. People can look up your birth and marriage certificates, and other personal details from the Public Records Office. The owner of your property can be found on the Land Registry by anybody. You can opt out of your details being visible on the Electoral Register and you can ask the Preferential Mailing lists to take your name and address off their 'marketing spam' lists. None of this breaks the DPA.

I would not be surprised if anyone can apply to DVLA through the correct means to identify a vehicle should you have good reason, such as a hit and miss or damage to your property. Insurers have a way of identifying the other driver.

It is nonsense to claim that it is a national security risk and a breach of law for this information to be public. It is probably not online but through special application because there is no centralised database to cope with idle internet surfing.
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And absolutely none of that has anything to do with your claim about the DVLA. And no-one claimed it was a breach of any data protection regulations either.

I do know all that, as do many people, which is why I'm not on the publicly viewable version of the Electoral Register and have taken other steps to minimise my visiblity.

Send out for more squirrels.
 
Vixen said:
His video was used by the worldwide press, including BBC, ITV, APF and Reuters. He confirmed it was his original and he has the copyright. Unlike the guy who claims to have the film from the front of the vehicle and the person who claims to have deciphered the number plate and identified the make and model. Learn to spot fake from authentic.
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It has been confirmed that it was a diesel car. You can read it on the official fire service website.
 
Vixen said:
They are just giving you bland platitudes. Within hours a fire fighter told a journalist it was probably a fuel line leak (just like the one in Liverpool). Learn to differentiate considered speculation from confirmed fact.

It is clear the brand is being protected for now or it would have been named.

It is only speculation it was a Range Rover. Some say it is a Tesla from its outline.
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It has been confirmed that it was a diesel car by the fire service.
 
Vixen said:
Here we have someone who believes in obviously fake news and has the temerity to claim they have 'drivel' detectors.
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It has been confirmed to be a diesel car by the fire service.
It was confirmed weeks ago.
 
Vixen said:
Your name and address is in the public domain. People can look up your address on the Electoral Register, which is also available online. People can also subscribe to 191 and look up anybody's address. People can look up your birth and marriage certificates, and other personal details from the Public Records Office. The owner of your property can be found on the Land Registry by anybody. You can opt out of your details being visible on the Electoral Register and you can ask the Preferential Mailing lists to take your name and address off their 'marketing spam' lists. None of this breaks the DPA.

I would not be surprised if anyone can apply to DVLA through the correct means to identify a vehicle should you have good reason, such as a hit and miss or damage to your property. Insurers have a way of identifying the other driver.

It is nonsense to claim that it is a national security risk and a breach of law for this information to be public. It is probably not online but through special application because there is no centralised database to cope with idle internet surfing.
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My address is not on the electoral register. You can ask for it to be withheld

Nobody says it's a national security risk, it's to protect the individual concerned.

It would be a breach of law. Data protection is law.
I have to ensure I comply with data protection law regarding names and addresses of my customers. If I don't I will be prosecuted.
 
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Vixen said:
As I pointed out, this has nothing to do with 'national security'.

Here you can ring up the national population centre and ask for anybody's address. When I worked in insolvency practice we had no problem in finding people and discovering what assets they owned via Land Registry and it was all quite legal.
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Nobody has claimed it is anything to do with national security.

It doesn't matter what you can do where you are. We are talking about the UK.
 
Vixen said:
As I pointed out, this has nothing to do with 'national security'.

Here you can ring up the national population centre and ask for anybody's address. When I worked in insolvency practice we had no problem in finding people and discovering what assets they owned via Land Registry and it was all quite legal.
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Nobody has claimed a link to 'national security'. What a weird thing to say.
 
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