Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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phiwum said:
If he turned the car into a hybrid, then he's responsible for the fire if, as you claim, it began with the battery.

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This would also completely undermine the initial pitch of the conspiracy theory. If this really was some slipshod garage mechanic job that caused the fire, then why the coverup? Why would a dangerous homebrew hybrid hurt the sales of factory-made vehicles?
 
So Vixen's clutched-straw fantasy is that the car's owner converted it from a diesel to a diesel hybrid (though she can find no evidence at all showing anybody has ever done that, probably because it has literally never been done) and yet he did not tell the DVLA to request the car be reclassified to a lower CO2 emissions bracket to save on tax, nor tell his insurer that he had modified the car (almost certainly voiding his insurance). Then its hybrid battery caught fire, emitting burning shrapnel which somehow pierced the fuel tank at the opposite end of the car (although we await Vixen's evidence that burning EV batteries actually emit such shrapnel, capable of punching through something like a fuel tank).

Not even Vixen actually believes this is what happened. It's like a God of the gaps argument except you have to put your fingers in your ears and go la-la-la-la to maintain the fiction that some of the gaps even exist.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
So Vixen's clutched-straw fantasy is that the car's owner converted it from a diesel to a diesel hybrid (though she can find no evidence at all showing anybody has ever done that, probably because it has literally never been done) and yet he did not tell the DVLA to request the car be reclassified to a lower CO2 emissions bracket to save on tax, nor tell his insurer that he had modified the car (almost certainly voiding his insurance). Then its hybrid battery caught fire, emitting burning shrapnel which somehow pierced the fuel tank at the opposite end of the car (although we await Vixen's evidence that burning EV batteries actually emit such shrapnel, capable of punching through something like a fuel tank).

Not even Vixen actually believes this is what happened. It's like a God of the gaps argument except you have to put your fingers in your ears and go la-la-la-la to maintain the fiction that some of the gaps even exist.
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That also leaves WHY THE COVERUP!? Why would the PM or his wife care if DIY EV work went wrong?! They could just say hey look, buy your EV's from a real manufacturer, don't tinker around in your garage with this ****.
 
I Am The Scum said:
If this really was some slipshod garage mechanic job that caused the fire, then why the coverup?
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You know why. Fossil fuels good, EVs bad. When this fire was reported everybody said "This is the end for EVs. Nobody will ever touch one again after this disaster!" - and we would be rid of the evil things for good.

But the fire service said it was a diesel car, not an EV or even a hybrid (which all have lithium batteries too you know). So now there's a big problem. Like a game of Reversi, that one piece of information flips all the counters from black to white - and now fossil fuels are the bad guy!

No wonder people think it's a conspiracy. The government and Big Battery have a vested interest this not being an EV fire, so they are covering it up, period. The logic is unassailable, no proof needed. But the sheeple are still being fooled by the 'liberal' media, so those of us who are too smart to be fooled need to show them evidence that the wool is being pulled over their eyes. This is not hard, because we know it was actually an EV a hybrid, so anomalies must abound - all we have to do is point them out.
 
So it was an EV from the future sent back to destroy EVs before they can take over the world. Sent to 2014 when they didn't have an EV model, wearing a fake 'diesel' badge and a false moustache and biding its time for 9 years until it suddenly burned down a car park using its burning shrapnel and concrete melting abilities which all armchair detectives instantly recognized as signs and portents of lithium.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
So it was an EV from the future sent back to destroy EVs before they can take over the world. Sent to 2014 when they didn't have an EV model, wearing a fake 'diesel' badge and a false moustache and biding its time for 9 years until it suddenly burned down a car park using its burning shrapnel and concrete melting abilities which all armchair detectives instantly recognized as signs and portents of lithium.
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The perfect crime
 
malbui said:
I believe there was a publicly consultable car registration directory in Belgium the best part of 100 years ago because it was a plot point in an early Tintin story. But it doesn’t exist now.

On the EV conversion front, I learned to drive in a Peugeot 205 back in the day and we’ve recently uncovered that very car in the back of a barn up in the mountains. We’re talking about a summer conversion project but we - including an uncle who used to run a garage and an uncle and a cousin who run a sizeable electricians business - are doing a lot of reading before taking a decision. It’s not exactly a weekend job using household tools.
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Note that creating a hybrid vehicle is much harder.
 
I've only done one motor vehicle conversion. It was a 1917 Ford Model T we bought for use in the theater (Ragtime). We removed the gasoline engine altogether and sold it to a restorer. We then connected a 4 h.p. DC electric motor directly to the drive shaft and powered it with a mess of 12-volt regular car batteries stashed in the (now largely empty) engine compartment. Not strictly street legal, and never caught fire.
 
Back in the early 80s I converted a Yamaha RD250 to a 400 by swapping the barrels, rods and pistons.
It was still badged as a 250 and that's what it said on the V5 but there was no way to tell without measuring things.
Fastest learner bike in the country lol

It never caught fire.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Back in the early 80s I converted a Yamaha RD250 to a 400 by swapping the barrels, rods and pistons.
It was still badged as a 250 and that's what it said on the V5 but there was no way to tell without measuring things.
Fastest learner bike in the country lol

It never caught fire.
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Nice, I briefly had an RD350LC Mk1 with a Stan Stephens Stage 2 tune. Scary fast, also never caught fire (though it did seize a couple of times)
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Nice, I briefly had an RD350LC Mk1 with a Stan Stephens Stage 2 tune. Scary fast, also never caught fire (though it did seize a couple of times)
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OOOOoooh, I can play this game...

I had a beat up HR Holden station wagon. It needed a new 161 engine, but just for fun, while the engine was being rebuilt, my friends put in a smaller block engine with a miss-matched head, which resulted in an engine with ludicrously high compression.

So much so, I had to run it on 'racing fuel' to prevent pre-detonation.

It was a lot of fun, but I ended up with a wrecked drive shaft and differential which resulted in me having to replace a LOT of the drive train (including both rear axles).
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Nice, I briefly had an RD350LC Mk1 with a Stan Stephens Stage 2 tune. Scary fast, also never caught fire (though it did seize a couple of times)
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Never had an LC, just the air cooled, then passed my test and moved on to 'big' bikes.
 
Home made conversions to pure EV are around (never seen or heard of a home made hybrid though- although it is 'technically' possible, its much harder than a pure ev conversion....
Pull the original ICE motor, and fit a electric motor in its place, fit batteries and controllers and done...

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I used to live about 5km from a guy in Mackay that had a Hilux converted to an EV, and it was indeed a LOT of work to do- up to and including making a home made adapter plate to connect the electric motor and the gearbox- which he actually cast himself- in his kids sand box lol

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One thing that (as usual) has escaped Vixen is that most EV's don't use the 'explosive' Li-PO cells (Tesla is pretty much one of the few that do) but use LiFePO4 cells- which are MUCH less flammable (indeed I have never heard of one ever doing anything but swelling and splitting the case- and that is rare as well)- even Tesla now use them in the model 3 built in China and Europe (the LiFePO4 cells for Tesla are actually made by the Chinese EV manufacturer BYD)- the density is slightly less than Li-PO (meaning slightly less range) but they have a much longer life expectancy (nearly double) and they handle 'fast charging' much better than Li-PO cells do- so by sacrificing range slightly (about 10%) you get faster 'fast charging' (about half the time) and a longer battery pack life expectancy (8-10 years for a Li-PO, against 15-20 years for a LiFePO4 pack)- a fair tradeoff in the eyes of most owners (many EV's literally could get by with charging once a week/fortnight for 'average' use!!!)
 
Dabop said:
Home made conversions to pure EV are around (never seen or heard of a home made hybrid though- although it is 'technically' possible, its much harder than a pure ev conversion....
Pull the original ICE motor, and fit a electric motor in its place, fit batteries and controllers and done...
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Is there a change in weight, and does this have implications for the suspension?
 
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It actually worked out only about 100kg heavier than normal- and in a ute with a 1000kg payload capacity, and a 2400kg tow capacity- that 100kg is practically nothing....

Losing a cast iron diesel block, and a 75L fuel tank makes up almost all the extra battery weight...
And it has a massive improvement in acceleration to boot- he can easily take on V8's with a 0-100 time of about 7 seconds- the stock 3L diesel takes about 15 seconds to to the same thing...
He also gets to run basically for free (only rego and tyres etc) since 2009, where my almost identical ute (except mines 4wd) costs $10 per 100km in fuel alone...

(his house is offgrid, with his solar panels recharging the ute during the day, as well as the house battery bank)
 
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