Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Also for example the throttle body from something like a modern Jaguar or Aston Martin is a sealed unit, if any of the sensors or pots go faulty the whole thing has to be changed, this can run in to a lot of money for a new dealer part.

For example Maserati introduced a 'fly by wire' throttle with no actual physical linkage between pedal and throttle apart from potentiometers and electrical cables. In the throttle body one of the position sensor potentiometers commonly developed a fault with the track wearing. A new sealed body unit was over £1k but a reconditioned one from a third party is only about £300.


Ah, a fellow Wheeler Dealers aficionado :D


ETA: I do pretty much all of my own car maintenance (except for stuff requiring specialised equipment and/or software), and as a point of relevance, the very first car I ever owned - a (then) very old Ford Fiesta - caught fire on the M40 on the way to the Cineplex at High Wycombe :p I went up the motorway to call the emergency services from the nearest phone on the hard shoulder (students def couldn't afford mobile phones in those days) and a fire engine had reached my car and drenched it by the time I returned to the vehicle. Needless to say, it was a write-off, and a slightly scary experience.

I have little doubt that I - along with at least several other contributors to this thread - have forgotten more about motor vehicles than Vixen will ever know.
 
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Ah, a fellow Wheeler Dealers aficionado :D

It was marvellous until it moved to the USA and is ok again now it has relocated back to the UK.
It had the feel of a different show over there and a lot of the 'in depth' showing you how to do it yourself content was taken out. It had more of the feel of the other US 'spend money and drop replacement parts in' type of shows.

Still miss Edd though. Elvis is OK but not quite up there.
 
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What does "withstand" mean in this context? I know several structures that can "withstand" fires indefinitely: the ones used to train firefighters in which fires are lit over and over again. The factors contributing to containing a structure fire vary widely by the type of fire and the architecture of the structure. The factors contributing to fire spread also vary greatly, but are generally dominated by the combustible load distribution. By "withstand," we engineers generally mean the structure remains standing. Egress routes may be cut off. Services such as electricity and communication may fail. The structure may be entirely engulfed in flames. But as long as it doesn't collapse, it has "withstood" the fire.

The text in question seems to have been written by the journalist and is not attributed as a quote to any of the consulted experts. As such it may be conflating two dissimilar ideas: structural endurance and rescue accessibility. When are you going to stop trusting journalists to mangle facts for you?

According to Merriam-Webster, it is "What does it mean to withstand fire?
: degree of resistance of material to fire often measured in terms of time of withstanding a standard test fire."
 
You.... you don't think they could tell it has an ICE rather than lithium-ion batteries :confused: You must have a very very very low opinion of the police and fire depts.

If a building is in uncontrollable fire, then the police and firefighters have no idea what type of car caused the blaze, other than a CCTV shot and information from the presumed driver, who, according to urban myth, was in a hurry to catch a plane to an important meeting and was only arrested on his return.
 
According to Merriam-Webster, it is "What does it mean to withstand fire?

: degree of resistance of material to fire often measured in terms of time of withstanding a standard test fire."
That uses the word "withstand" so it does not define the word.

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If a building is in uncontrollable fire, then the police and firefighters have no idea what type of car caused the blaze, other than a CCTV shot and information from the presumed driver, who, according to urban myth, was in a hurry to catch a plane to an important meeting and was only arrested on his return.
If true, that would explain the arrest. Leaving the scene of a fire caused by your vehicle suggests a casual approach to responsibility.

However, where did you hear that?

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According to Merriam-Webster, it is "What does it mean to withstand fire?
: degree of resistance of material to fire often measured in terms of time of withstanding a standard test fire."

What a completely useless answer. I've explained what's wrong with your garbled source. Can you use your own brain to figure out what you meant by citing it, or is that too much to ask?
 
Requirements for converting an ICE car to a hybrid or EV.

I wasn't asking for requirements I was asking for examples of diesels converted to hybrids. I know you can converted a car to an ev by replacing 's lot of the internal, you suggested the vehicle in question was a conversion. Demonstrated it is possible and happening.

The link you provided last time had nothing to do with it. Don't you remember?
 
Indeed they do. I have a little 30 year old sports car and the related owners forums have entire sections devoted to modifications to boost the original engine or to replace the original 4 cylinder with a 6 or 8 cylinder engine or a rotary engine or an EV drivetrain or in a few cases to fit a smaller and very frugal engine. And another entire section devoted to fitting this 1990s car's drivetrain into trackday kit cars or retro-cool older cars.

I also sometimes read build project threads about entirely unrelated models of car too, yet I have never ever seen anyone convert any model of car into a diesel hybrid.

The thing you discover is that, even if you do most of the work yourself, doing it right gets really expensive. So people do not buy a hobby car to modify it into another available model of the same car which they could just have bought ready-made anyway.

TL;DR The reason you can't find an example of anyone converting a diesel Range Rover into the diesel hybrid version is because nobody has done that because it's pointless.

There are youtube videos which explain how cheap and easy it can be to convert an ICE car to hybrid or EV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXCTXxL5lr0

How CHEAPLY Can You EV Convert Your Old Car?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYbMuHpa6wY

Simplest EV Conversion under $3000 - Convert Your Car in 3 Days!

I looked on Google and a replacement battery for a hybrid costs between US$2,000 and US$10,000.

So when my car was written off by my insurers due to the cost of repair exceeding the threshold of circa three-quarters of its market value, despite my pleading with them to pass it for repair*, it was bought by a typical salvager, such as Co-Part and sold on to someone. He contacted me and requested the second key and defa heat-lamp cable (I had tried to send the key to the initial salvagers with no luck and it being returned uncollected). Now this cable is only worth about €20 in a local hardware store and it connects an engine block to the coolant to stop it freezing in wintry weather plus for inside heating to stop the car frosting up overnight with snow and ice, so I presumed he was planning to fix it and resell it.

With the hybrid battery alone, it might have been considered worth his while buying the car on auction for a few hundred euros, probably more as it was less than three years old and only had about 5,000 kms on the odometer.

The initial garage for the insurance company had said it was too expensive to fix because the floor was bent and the wheel axle damaged, together with the wing mirror broken and the bodywork dented. The back of the car was untouched. The selling price is hidden although I could see the car sold on their webpage.

So, all a car enthusiast needs to modify a diesel into a hybrid is the hybrid battery and some mechanical know how. Plus, of course, you need the relevant permissions and approval from DVLA to reregister it.

*The sorrow turned to gladness when I was reimbursed what I had paid for it, as here, if the car is less than three years old you get the market value, instead of a heavily depreciated one. On the downside, the price of a new model had gone up quite a bit so I had to use some of my savings to make up the price difference (but at least it won't need an MOT for four years).
 
Vixen, please tell us how you think steel welding works. Does it involve melting steel?
 
It was marvellous until it moved to the USA and is ok again now it has relocated back to the UK.
It had the feel of a different show over there and a lot of the 'in depth' showing you how to do it yourself content was taken out. It had more of the feel of the other US 'spend money and drop replacement parts in' type of shows.

Still miss Edd though. Elvis is OK but not quite up there.


As a marginal point of interest, the workshop of the latest "Mike and Elvis" version of Wheeler Dealers is situated very close to my parents' house, not far from Aylesbury.
 
You really should pay closer attention. I only stipulated that the two vehicles I showed, the BMW X5 and the Audi A5, were not available as a hybrid or EV for the generations shown. Both were available with either gasoline or diesel engines, but seeing as both were from the U.S., it's far more likely that both were gasoline burners, as diesel cars account for only about 3% of autos in this country.

And before you protest that the two car fire videos don't count if they aren't also diesels, please remember that they were both presented as examples of how violently an automobile can burn. Also keep in mind that diesel releases about 18% more energy when burned than gasoline. So everything you've been absorbing from "qualified experts", such as self-professed garage and dealership employees about how "a diesel shouldn't have burned like that" is flat out wrong. Once the fire gets started (and there's plenty of flammable material throughout the car to burn fiercely) a diesel is going to burn just as intensely as a gasoline car, if not more so. Furthermore, A Li-ion battery isn't going to cause a fire any more severe than a typical gasoline or diesel car, as per the 2017 NHTSA report (which you ignored):



I look forward to your attempt to link the NHTSA to the Illuminati, or the Morlock/Sleestak alliance, or whatever.

But the fire brigade were there within eight minutes. What was the problem in putting out a simple electrical fire in a diesel car?

Nobody is disputing 'a car burns intensely'.


I notice you have tried to introduce a new strawman in your last sentence.
 
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