Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Why do we have to wait for the report. Why cannot we be told what car, model and make it is, now? What is the big need for secrecy?
Who knows? But given that we have not been officially told yet and that we know eventually will be told, I see no reason to guess what the model is.

You seem to be appealing to the best explanation to conclude that the chief is under a gag order coming from the prime minister. But I don't think this is a good explanation for why no official identification of the vehicle was made. It is implausible.

Indeed, the silence could be due to anything at all. There's no rule that the vehicle be identified early on, so I'm not surprised or perplexed that it hasn't been.

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Do you have a reliable source for that video other than an anonymous unverified user on Twitter with 232 followers?

It's not my source. You provided it, and claimed visual discrepencies where there are none visible.
 
It's not my source. You provided it, and claimed visual discrepencies where there are none visible.

Rings a bell. Vixen once posted a video of a burning car plunging through the car park floor at Luton, claiming iirc that it had 'melted' its way through.

I took a screen shot from that video which showed that, in fact, two floor slabs had collapsed. Vixen asked me to show that my source was trustworthy :rolleyes:
 
It was not any longer a £130k+ car, as you tried to describe it, that's for sure, but nor is a 2014 car a pile of old junk. Try to get over the idea that if something is not at one extreme it must necessarily be the opposite extreme.

Cult thinking, albeit in this case a cult of one. That's the only way you can maintain the fiction that everyone else you meet who's outside the cult is wrong or lying.
 
A mid range 2014 Evoque costs circa £15k, to convert it to electric circa £20k. On top of that is VOSA testing, registration and crippling insurance. A 2020 Evoque hybrid costs circa £30k.
Why bother Vixen?
 
A mid range 2014 Evoque costs circa £15k, to convert it to electric circa £20k. On top of that is VOSA testing, registration and crippling insurance. A 2020 Evoque hybrid costs circa £30k.
Why bother Vixen?

Because, despite the confirmation from the fire service that itis a diesel car, it still somehow needs to be electric.
 
Rings a bell. Vixen once posted a video of a burning car plunging through the car park floor at Luton, claiming iirc that it had 'melted' its way through.

I took a screen shot from that video which showed that, in fact, two floor slabs had collapsed. Vixen asked me to show that my source was trustworthy :rolleyes:

What makes that claim so utterly ridiculous (other than the fact that it's clearly the floor collapsing) is the idea that a fire with temperatures hot enough to "melt through concrete slabs" would leave anything recognizable as a car to fall through the hole. Steel has a lower melting point than concrete.

Everything Vixen has posted points to her thinking that battery fires are these tremendously destructive events, like some sort of core meltdown, that can consume an entire parking garage with their own energy only, even "melting through the floor". But the NHTSA released a study that concluded that while Li-ion batteries fires can be difficult to extinguish...

The propensity and severity of fires and explosions from the accidental ignition of flammable electrolytic solvents used in Li-ion battery systems are anticipated to be somewhat comparable to or perhaps slightly less than those for gasoline or diesel vehicular fuels. The overall consequences for Li-ion batteries are expected to be less because of the much smaller amounts of flammable solvent released and burning in a catastrophic failure situation.
- Stephens, D.; Shawcross, P.; et, al. (October 2017). "Lithium-ion battery safety issues for electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles" (Report No. DOT HS 812 418). Washington, DC: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

So even if it had been a fully electric vehicle, it's unlikely to have done any more than a diesel Land Rover in starting the fire.
 
Clearly the US DOT is part of the conspiracy to downplay the civilizational risks posed by EVs. Bed Fire probably got a phone call from Joe Biden himself. "No more malarkey, Jack. US DOT said it, you believe it, that settles it. POTUS out!"
 
Clearly the US DOT is part of the conspiracy to downplay the civilizational risks posed by EVs. Bed Fire probably got a phone call from Joe Biden himself. "No more malarkey, Jack. US DOT said it, you believe it, that settles it. POTUS out!"

But with Rishi, we know who gave him the orders -- his wife, duh. With Biden, we just don't know who gave him the orders and that makes it a lot scarier.
 
This is some Apollo hoax level photographic analysis, I must say.

[photo 1] The vehicle is on a slope going upwards.
[photo 2] The vehicle now appears to be on flat ground or even in a 'valley'
That's utter nonsense. Without detailed information about the precise orientation of the camera, you can't tell if the floor is sloping one way or another. From the same location, you can orient the camera in different ways on successive shots to create the impression that the floor is sloping in different directions.

[photo 1] Note the size and shape of the fire extinguisher to its right.
[photo 2] The fire extinguisher to its left (back view on its right) is disproportionately large and the wrong shape.
The first image is not in focus as well as the second, causing the edges of the extinguisher to be less distinct, causing the illusion that it's slightly narrower. And I see that other people have already cited the Father Ted perspective example.

[photo 1] Note how the vehicle fits in its lane.
[photo 2] The vehicle is now too wide to fit in its lane. It straddles the centre white line!
Nonsense. If you hold a straight edge, like a piece of paper, along that line in photo 1, it shows that it runs under the car, to the inside of the right wheels, exactly like in photo 2.

The bonnet/hood appears to be floating above the , er, bonnet.
You appear to be noting that the hood seems to have a gap between it and the front valence. Didn't your expert car salesman show you how to open the hood? When you pull the release, it raises just enough to let you get your hand in and manually release the catch. Isn't it likely that the driver, upon realizing that that distressing smell was coming from his vehicle, came to a stop and pulled the release, intending to inspect the engine, but after getting out realized that the vehicle was on fire and decided to go for an extinguisher instead? Doesn't that seem like a perfectly reasonable possibility that doesn't involve sinister foreign influences? Or is that the problem?

Suddenly, the registration plate is readable! Quelle surprise!
That can happen when you have a photo with better focus taken from nearer the subject.

I must say the sign saying to 'terminal' is a nice touch. Well faked, @andysoullinux. Fooled catsmate, the arbiter of all that is not drivel.
This is, by far, the most amusing part of your "analysis". The idea that it must be a fake because the informational signage looks just a little too suspiciously "airporty" is priceless.
 
It appears we are in the "dramatic pause" phase of the thread, getting ready for the fringe reset.
 
This is some Apollo hoax level photographic analysis, I must say.


That's utter nonsense. Without detailed information about the precise orientation of the camera, you can't tell if the floor is sloping one way or another. From the same location, you can orient the camera in different ways on successive shots to create the impression that the floor is sloping in different directions.


The first image is not in focus as well as the second, causing the edges of the extinguisher to be less distinct, causing the illusion that it's slightly narrower. And I see that other people have already cited the Father Ted perspective example.


Nonsense. If you hold a straight edge, like a piece of paper, along that line in photo 1, it shows that it runs under the car, to the inside of the right wheels, exactly like in photo 2.


You appear to be noting that the hood seems to have a gap between it and the front valence. Didn't your expert car salesman show you how to open the hood? When you pull the release, it raises just enough to let you get your hand in and manually release the catch. Isn't it likely that the driver, upon realizing that that distressing smell was coming from his vehicle, came to a stop and pulled the release, intending to inspect the engine, but after getting out realized that the vehicle was on fire and decided to go for an extinguisher instead? Doesn't that seem like a perfectly reasonable possibility that doesn't involve sinister foreign influences? Or is that the problem?


That can happen when you have a photo with better focus taken from nearer the subject.


This is, by far, the most amusing part of your "analysis". The idea that it must be a fake because the informational signage looks just a little too suspiciously "airporty" is priceless.

Guys and gals, please take a moment to get a grip, The video claiming to be a front view of the burning vehicle originates from some random guy on twitter with 295 followers and claiming to be a green EV enthusiast posted two days after the fire. Now the video may or may not be authentic but note, not one single news outlet has published it, which should tell you everything you need to know. A Romanian woman claimed she had filmed the vehicle before leaving it but do you not think she would claim authorship of the video and flog it around the major news agencies such as Getty Images for copyright and lucrative copyright income? In any case, even if remotely authentic:

  • there is no way you can decipher the number plate, which does not match the back in number of digits.
  • in the UK you can only look up a vehicle if you have the vehicle registration number!
  • nobody has produced an enlargement of the said 'front number plate' proving it is indeed E10 EFL.
  • if you want DVLA to give ownership details, you must write to DVLA and fill in a form.
  • In addition, the vehicle in the video looks disproportionately tall compared to other vehicles nearby.

Conclusion: the claim the vehicle has been identified as a Range Rover Sport 2014 is almost 100% false information.

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Catsmate is lying to you when he claims he has authenticated his information.
 
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As normal Vixen is wrong. Google "Check MOT Status" and there's a government website that gives you the manufacturer MOT Status, fuel, engine capacity, year of manufacture , etc for a registration part for free with no other authorisation required.
 
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As normal Vixen is wrong. Google "Check MOT Status" and there's a government website that gives you the manufacturer MOT Status, fuel, engine capacity, year of manufacture , etc for a registration part for free with no other authorisation required.

Er, first question is:

"What is the vehicle's registration number?
Registration number (number plate)"


If the number plate identified is correct, that should also give us the name and address of the owner, right?

So why is no journalist or twitter detective onto them?
 
Er, first question is:

"What is the vehicle's registration number?
Registration number (number plate)"


If the number plate identified is correct, that should also give us the name and address of the owner, right?

So why is no journalist or twitter detective onto them?

Becase no one but you is nosy enough to see that irreleva tnfo made public.
 
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