Luton Airport Car Park Fire

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Vixen said:
But the Liverpool car park fire - far more enclosed than the Luton one - report says firefighting teams were able to fight the fire from the stairwells:
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So? They couldn't get the engine in and fighting the forefront the stairwell didn't put it out anyway
 
Vixen said:
But the Liverpool car park fire was on 31 Dec 2018, which is hardly the Stone Age.
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And it says in the report that the 1960s study isn't completely applicable because cars are a lot bigger with a lot more combustibles in their construction and are packed closer together now.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Not relevant to what type of car was originally involved
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It is relevant, because if it was a lithium battery fire, that explains everything, the intensity, the floor giving way, the rapid spread from projectile jets of alighted debris from the vehicle. Likewise, as would a deliberate detonation.

It is all very well saying it is 'accidental' but it may not necessarily be so, given the Middle East conflict.

IMV it might be expedient to assume it is the same type of fire as the Liverpool Car Park one but that took two hours to become out of control.
 
Vixen said:
It is relevant, because if it was a lithium battery fire, that explains everything, the intensity, the floor giving way, the rapid spread from projectile jets of alighted debris from the vehicle. Likewise, as would a deliberate detonation.

It is all very well saying it is 'accidental' but it may not necessarily be so, given the Middle East conflict.

IMV it might be expedient to assume it is the same type of fire as the Liverpool Car Park one but that took two hours to become out of control.
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The fire service have confirmed it was a diesel car
 
Vixen said:
It is relevant, because if it was a lithium battery fire, that explains everything, the intensity, the floor giving way, the rapid spread from projectile jets of alighted debris from the vehicle. Likewise, as would a deliberate detonation.

It is all very well saying it is 'accidental' but it may not necessarily be so, given the Middle East conflict.
IMV it might be expedient to assume it is the same type of fire as the Liverpool Car Park one but that took two hours to become out of control.
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:jaw-dropp
 
Spektator said:
In 2017, three homeless men stated a fire beneath a bridge on I-85 north of Atlanta. The fire spread to a stack of polyethylene pipes, which generated enough heat to weaken the steel in the bridge and collapse it. Just an example of what fire can do to steel and concrete.
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Be reasonable, how could a hobo campfire generate enough heat to do that, outside of a laboratory? ;)
 
GlennB said:
You gaily quote the '3-4 minutes' thing and leave it at that. Well, there's a fire station 200yds up the road from me and it's the nearest one to Pontypool centre. There's no way on earth a fire engine can get to one of the Pontypool multi-storeys in 4 minutes. even with clear roads (and they're often far from that).

And then they have to assess the situation, deploy hoses, get people into place and start pumping.

Yet again you pick some factoid that seems to support your case without thinking it through.
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The Merseyside Fire Brigade say so themself on page 6:

Fire Spread in Car Parks
In 1968, The Ministry of Technology and Fire Offices’ Committee Joint Fire Research
Organisation researched and concluded that fire spread from one vehicle to others
would not occur and that if it did, the Metropolitan Brigades would invariably be in
attendance within 3 to 4 minutes. “This research underpinned the recommendations
in Approved Document B.” (Fire Spread in Car Parks BD 2552 p.15). The fire
resistance requirements under Building Regulations have not increased since the
1968 paper.
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https://www.bafsa.org.uk/wp-content...er/2018/12/Merseyside-FRS-Car-Park-Report.pdf
 
Vixen said:
The Merseyside Fire Brigade say so themself on page 6:

https://www.bafsa.org.uk/wp-content...er/2018/12/Merseyside-FRS-Car-Park-Report.pdf
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"In attendance" ffs.

eta: looking at the timeline in the report -

16:45 Arrive at main entrance

16:56 External firefighting begins

18:07 First BA team (Bravo 1) committed from stairwell 1 to level 3

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18:38 Emergency evacuation of all teams due to concerns over
firefighter safety

11 minutes to the start of external firefighting, which you seem to have omitted in your use of the report. Over an hour until fire crews started work at level 3, via the stairwell. Also omitted by you.
 
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Mojo said:
Er, what?
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For heaven's sake. You are in charge of investigating and writing a report wherein you have a fire that rages out of control within under an hour of it being reported.

So all you need do is on day one say you believe it to be a diesel was accidental and then we can all go home.
 
Vixen said:
It is relevant, because if it was a lithium battery fire, that explains everything, the intensity, the floor giving way, the rapid spread from projectile jets of alighted debris from the vehicle. Likewise, as would a deliberate detonation.
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But there's no need to speculate, we already know it was a diesel.
 
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