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Cont: General UK Politics IV - Rishi reprise

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I grew up in Maidstone, which for two hundred years has been solidly Tory, with a local party that once turned down Thatcher as a prospective candidate for not being enough of a barking right-wing lunatic. If that seat ever changes colour, the end times really will be upon us.
 
malbui said:
I grew up in Maidstone, which for two hundred years has been solidly Tory, with a local party that once turned down Thatcher as a prospective candidate for not being enough of a barking right-wing lunatic. If that seat ever changes colour, the end times really will be upon us.
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I checked the 2019 voting. :eek:
 
The Don said:
I'm in the Monmouth constituency. Sadly our Tory MP is certain to be re-elected. :(
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I took him on a tour of Brussels many years ago, including to the European Commission and the Parliament, along with 3 other Welsh MPs (Jessica Morden, Nia Griffith, and… I forget, another Tory I think).

I would have sworn he and one of the ladies were having an affair, the way they interacted with each other. Very flirtatious.
 
gypsyjackson said:
I took him on a tour of Brussels many years ago, including to the European Commission and the Parliament, along with 3 other Welsh MPs (Jessica Morden, Nia Griffith, and… I forget, another Tory I think).

I would have sworn he and one of the ladies were having an affair, the way they interacted with each other. Very flirtatious.
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I'd be surprised if he had the gumption.

There aren't any local rumours of marital infidelity, but that doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
 
Until rules about MPs, their behaviour and payments are solved, we are condemned to continued corruption and misconduct. When Tory sleaze helped to cause the Labour landslide in 1997, Labour MPs did not exactly behave themselves. The same will happen again.

MPs must have what they can claim as expenses reduced. They should not be able to take second jobs, or ever work for companies they have lobbied for. They should not be paid anything for consultancy work, that is what their wage as an MP is for. They should not be allowed to deal with misconduct themselves, and when misconduct amounts to a criminal act, the police must investigate. It should be possible to sack an MP for misconduct and absenteeism, just as it is in any other job.
 
Nessie said:
Until rules about MPs, their behaviour and payments are solved, we are condemned to continued corruption and misconduct. When Tory sleaze helped to cause the Labour landslide in 1997, Labour MPs did not exactly behave themselves. The same will happen again.

MPs must have what they can claim as expenses reduced. They should not be able to take second jobs, or ever work for companies they have lobbied for. They should not be paid anything for consultancy work, that is what their wage as an MP is for. They should not be allowed to deal with misconduct themselves, and when misconduct amounts to a criminal act, the police must investigate. It should be possible to sack an MP for misconduct and absenteeism, just as it is in any other job.
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It's not quite that clear-cut.

Absenteeism is difficult to ascertain when part of the job is to be in the constituency and part is to attend Parliament.

Similarly, many MPs will have only a short political career. Many will have come from professions where they would need to keep their registrations current and possibly to do work in that profession. It would seem a bad idea to make it economically unattractive for such people to become MPs because of the risk that they'd lose the ability to return to their first profession after a 5 year gap.
 
Garrison said:
Or more likely c) some version of pointless ideological purity in the face of all common sense.
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Supporting the supressed over the opressors is never flying in the face of common sense. The tactics of terror being operated by Israel for the last three decades were the same tactics used by the British state forces which caused the troubles
 
The Don said:
I'm in the Monmouth constituency. Sadly our Tory MP is certain to be re-elected. :(
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A lot of my constituency is probably quite similar, with a mix of hill farms and well off farmers.

I noticed in the Council elections that some fields had Labour posters for the first time I can recall. Usually they are blue.

Brexit, despite the farmers voting for it, has been a clear disaster for many of them, and they're not buying that it's Remainers' fault
 
jimbob said:
It's not quite that clear-cut.

Absenteeism is difficult to ascertain when part of the job is to be in the constituency and part is to attend Parliament.
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They just need to post what they have done each day, in an open, online diary. If constituents think they are not doing enough, they can be deselected.

Similarly, many MPs will have only a short political career. Many will have come from professions where they would need to keep their registrations current and possibly to do work in that profession. It would seem a bad idea to make it economically unattractive for such people to become MPs because of the risk that they'd lose the ability to return to their first profession after a 5 year gap.
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It would be easy to arrange exemptions for the likes of doctors, to keep registration going.
 
jimbob said:
A lot of my constituency is probably quite similar, with a mix of hill farms and well off farmers.

I noticed in the Council elections that some fields had Labour posters for the first time I can recall. Usually they are blue.

Brexit, despite the farmers voting for it, has been a clear disaster for many of them, and they're not buying that it's Remainers' fault
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The opinion in the local pubs is that Remoaners in general and Labour in particular are wholly responsible for the cluster-fudge that is Brexit :mad:

They are also thrilled that out local MP has criticised 20mph speed limits.
 
Nessie said:
It would be easy to arrange exemptions for the likes of doctors, to keep registration going.
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If it came to it I'm sure members of most professions with such requirements could utilise their skills within the Public or Charitable sectors during their term.

I think.one of the first thing's that's needed is real consequences for lying, primarily in Parliament but preferably on any public platform. It's a sad truism that you're held to a higher standard when trying to sell someone toilet cleaner than when you're trying to persuade them to let you run the country. The honour system is clearly not restraining people who have none.
 
Planigale said:
The Scottish government and advisors seem to have wholesale deleted their whatsapp messages so they cannot be provided to the Covid inquiry. Bizarre to think the Tories and BJ are more open than the SNP!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67254855

It will certainly be interesting to find out when the deleting happened.
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Nicola Sturgeon's withering response to a journalist who asked about retaining messages, during one of her daily covid briefings, where she condescendingly replied that of course nothing would be deleted, has been proven to be a big fat lie.

Politics sadly attracts that type of person. There will be some honest politicians, but the culture is one of institutionalised dishonesty with a large dose of corruption.
 
The Don said:
The opinion in the local pubs is that Remoaners in general and Labour in particular are wholly responsible for the cluster-fudge that is Brexit :mad:

They are also thrilled that out local MP has criticised 20mph speed limits.
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The level of mental gymnastics required to believe that the opposition was in charge and held power, rather than a Brexiteer-dominated Tory party, is beyond staggering...
 
Carrot Flower King said:
The level of mental gymnastics required to believe that the opposition was in charge and held power, rather than a Brexiteer-dominated Tory party, is beyond staggering...
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And yet it is a level of mental gymnastics that some people are prepared to commit to. Let's just hope that there aren't too many of them voting at the next general election.
 
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