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Luton Airport Car Park Fire

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Vixen said:
This is turning into a Two Ronnies sketch.


Ronnie Barker: Good Evening, we have a press release from Bedfordshire’s Chief Fire Officer stating that the car involved is believed to be diesel at this stage, subject to verification.

Ronnie Corbett: Good EV, I mean good Ev-ing, I’ve been told by them upstairs –

Ronnie B: Who? Suella, Fluella, or wassername – or maybe Rishi?

Ronnie C: Yeah, him, the one whose wife knows the CEO of Tata. I’m under orders to tell you to announce it as though you are saying it is NOT an EV but without saying ‘It is not an EV’.

Ronnie B: <fx taps side of nose> It is believed to be a not-EV, that is, a diesel subject to blah blah blah, and then I can get Tracey on Reception to write up the Facebook, webpage and Twitter/X corporate pages in plain English, no fancy words.

Ronnie C: Smashing! When it is discovered three years down the line it was a hybrid we can pin it on Tracey’s lack of comprehension. We aren’t lying, technically. What's the term, 'It was inadvertent'.

<sfx hysterical canned laughter>

Ronnie B: Leftie woke organisations like Full Fact can contact Tracey for verification of her tweet.

Ronnie C: I foresee peerages for us in the New Year’s Honours for services to Rishi and Akshata…er, industry.

Ronnie B: So it’s good night from me.

Ronnie C: And it’s goodnight from him. Oh, and we’d better get the driver arrested so he can’t blab.

Ronnie B and Ronnie C: And it’s Ta-ta from Tata!
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Why would the fire brigade's own official web page post a lie?
 
Vixen said:
I like it! Best one is the Sweet Shop Scene, 'nothing is too much trouble'.

Customer: Can I have a Range Rover Sport, a diesel Not-EV, MEV.

Shopkeeper: Certainly sir, see the sign, 'Nothing is too much trouble'.

Customer: Can you demonstrate what sort of fire a diesel will catch with a fuel leak run.

Shopkeeper: Certainly sir, nothing is too much trouble. <fx lights a rag soaked in kerosene throws it over a leaking pipe, as achieved by pricking a hole in it> Let's just apply a little blow torch onto it.

Customer: Doesn't quite match the Luton fire. Flames the wrong colour. Too much black smoke, floor still there. Can I test the hybrid model -

Shopkeeper <fx grits teeth> Certainly Sir, nothing is too much trouble, like the sign says, how would you like the flames, Sir?

Customer: A big whooshy white heat flame!

Shopkeeper: Nothing is too much trouble, Sir, Just let me set off the Lithium-ion battery, Sir. STAND BACK! - <sfx WHOOSH, entire shop demolished in flames that only die down after two days>


BBC Newsreader: A car believed at this stage to be a Not-Ev diesel...subject to verification...caused a fire at the Nothing is Too Much Trouble Car Dealership today...
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Why would the fire brigade's own official web page post a lie?
 
Mojo said:
That might not work: they have already published on their website that it was a diesel vehicle.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisation...n-accessible-to-the-applicant-by-other-means/
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Seems to me only part of the information Vixen wants was "reasonably accessible".

Is only part of the requested information reasonably accessible to the applicant?

If only part of the information publicly available matches the description of what the applicant has asked for, you can apply section 21(1) to that part of the request.
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Foster Zygote said:
Gee, no evidence of a Li-ion battery having melted through the floor. It almost looks like the considerable heat energy released by a large number of burning vehicles caused weakening of the steel components supporting the spans and they collapsed.
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Most amateur "scientists' don't compehend the vastly greater energy density of plastics, let alone hydrocrbon fuels, as compared to storage batteries.
 
Vixen said:
The car park was just four years old. Being an airport car park, it was surely designed with strength in mind. It is difficult to tell the colour of the fire as white heat doesn't translate well onto video.
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Oh look, a wallpaper word.
:rolleyes:
 
Vixen said:
Oh yeah, a little box from an FB page written by the Fire Brigade-bod's clerk in charge of FB and Twitter posts. Jenny from Communications wrote that.
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How did you verify the identity of Jenny from Communications? Did Jenny from Communications put her byline on the post? If not, has Jenny from Communications given you permission to publicize her role in this matter? Do you have a factual basis for insinuating that Jenny from Communications is prone to erroneous posts in her professional capacity, or is this just some casual defamation along the way? Jenny from Communications not only works long hours as a dedicated expert communicator, she volunteers for her church and cares for her ailing mother despite her own frequent crippling arthritis pain, so she really doesn't need you crapping all over her hard work.
 
Myriad said:
How did you verify the identity of Jenny from Communications? Did Jenny from Communications put her byline on the post? If not, has Jenny from Communications given you permission to publicize her role in this matter? Do you have a factual basis for insinuating that Jenny from Communications is prone to erroneous posts in her professional capacity, or is this just some casual defamation along the way? Jenny from Communications not only works long hours as a dedicated expert communicator, she volunteers for her church and cares for her ailing mother despite her own frequent crippling arthritis pain, so she really doesn't need you crapping all over her hard work.
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Better add Jenny from Communications to the long, long list of things Vixen knows nothing about.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Gee, no evidence of a Li-ion battery having melted through the floor. It almost looks like the considerable heat energy released by a large number of burning vehicles caused weakening of the steel components supporting the spans and they collapsed.
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If you look at the video, it is just one vehicle plunging through the floor.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Because they don't know. The one thing they do know is that it wasn't a lithium traction battery that caused it, because that vehicle didn't have one. Hopefully a forensic investigation will determine the exact cause of the fire, but until then there's little point speculating.

Cars catch fire for a variety of reasons due to their nature. Gas cars are particularly prone to it due to the combination of a highly combustible fuel that produces vapors, heat and vibration from the engine, and the 12V electrical system. Some makes and models may be less susceptible than others, but none are immune. That's just something we have to put up with if we use that technology.

What's the charge?

And why should they publish the make and model?

Perhaps you knew the vehicle was subject to a recall and you didn't get it done. Perhaps you knowingly drove a vehicle with issues. Perhaps you didn't get it serviced as often as you should. There are many reasons a person might be culpable even if the make/model in question had a higher than average incidence of fires.

But hey, let's play that game. It's a fact that gas cars are 20-100 times more likely to catch fire than EVs. Surely everybody must know this by now, so anyone who continues to drive a gas car (especially an older one) knows that it's a rolling bomb compared to any EV. Therefore any time one of these death traps catches fire the driver should be prosecuted for depraved indifference. ;)

Would you buy a car of a type that is 20-100 times more likely to catch fire than those which have a much better technology (ie. EVs)? I know I wouldn't, especially since around 100,000 cars catch fire each year in the UK alone. That's a statistic I would not want to be a part of, and a really good reason to switch to electric.
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The suspicion of crime is that of 'criminal damage', so it wouldn't relate to 'failing to heed to a recall' (is that even an offence?).
 
ferd burfle said:
Best to abandon this line of argument. Elsewhere we’ve been assured by our resident scientist, who always cites their sources, that temperatures over 700 degrees cannot be achieved outside a laboratory. /s
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If you are going to quote me, always do so in context. The context of the heat statement can be viewed here and is a quote from a professor of Metallurgy at a Norwegian University of Science and Technology. As you can see she is providing a narrative description of a slide that exhibits a particular deformation, which she avers cannot be produced by mechanical means. If you wish to find that hilarious, then maybe it reveals your ignorance rather than the professor's, who happens to be Head of Department and Professor at Department of Materials Science and Engineering.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Why does being at an airport require any more strength than anywhere else?

If it's like all the others it will be designed to the minimum cost and specifications to do the job.
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Sheer amount of footfall. During that period of the fire, there were some 25,000 passengers who had flights cancelled. Not all will have come by car of course as parking for several days is expensive. However, the car park is designed for long-stay vehicles and would be very busy, as compared to a supermarket wherein people are in and out within a couple of hours.
 
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