Luton Airport Car Park Fire

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Jack by the hedge said:
The video of the incident shows the car is not in a parking space, so I'm going to venture it was driving and not parked.



Perhaps in an open, roofless car park the fire would be less likely to have spread to the other nearby cars but in that confined space I'm not surprised at all. And there's no particular reason to imagine any of the nearby cars were EVs or that EV battery fires were necessary to cause the damage seen.
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The 2018 Liverpool Arena Land Rover fire took almost two hours before it was even reported. The one at Luton Airport developed extremely quickly.
 
zooterkin said:
So what? You're an expert on combustion now?

The. Car. Has. Been. Confirmed. As. A. Diesel.
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'...subject to verification...'


About 95% of battery fires are classed as ignition fires, which produce jet-like directional flames. The other 5% involve a vapor cloud explosion.

A battery can catch fire for various reasons. It may be caused by physical damage from a collision, manufacturing defects, battery faults, workshop repairs, arson, external fires or overheating.
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https://techxplore.com/news/2023-09-electric-vehicle-rarethe-petrol-diesel.html

Ignition fire. No doubt about it. Diesel needs to be at circa 52°C to ignite by an external force (such as a lit rag or pressure).
 
Vixen said:
The 2018 Liverpool Arena Land Rover fire took almost two hours before it was even reported. The one at Luton Airport developed extremely quickly.
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So you really are persisting with a conspiracy theory that the car was a EV or hybrid and it's been hushed up?
 
Vixen said:
The 2018 Liverpool Arena Land Rover fire took almost two hours before it was even reported. The one at Luton Airport developed extremely quickly.
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Are you now claiming expertise in diesel car fires and that it's typical for them to smoulder for two hours?
 
Vixen said:
Ignition fire. No doubt about it. Diesel needs to be at circa 52°C to ignite by an external force (such as a lit rag or pressure).
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Ignition fire? Tell us about this phenomenon please. What kind of fire is an ignition fire?

Are you arguing that diesel vehicles don't catch fire? Obviously not. You'll remember I posted this list of vehicle fires the London fire brigade have attended in recent years and there's page after page after page of diesels:
https://www.london-fire.gov.uk/media/8233/79621_response.pdf
 
Steve said:
As you say:

"It's hardly the first time this particular mechanism has been employed......"

Standard procedure across a number of threads for our intrepid OP.
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One might describe it as a shibboleth for conspiracy theorists in general.
 
Vixen said:
There wasn't any black smoke. Just a sudden orange and red flash from beneath the car. Within ten minutes the whole place was on fire.
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Please answer my question about the concrete floor.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7soVqyGq4i4&pp=ygULRGllc2VsIGZpcmU=

It's almost like you just read other people talking about how diesel produces "black smoke" and just credulously assumed that you knew a fact. Look at the gasoline burning, then look at the diesel burning. Do you see significantly more black smoke from the diesel?
 
Vixen said:
'...subject to verification...'
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And if it is verified in some future press release, then will you concede that this is a plain old diesel?



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Vixen said:
But if it were a q-lithium fire which doesn't need an external agent to catch fire, just a faulty cell within the battery, or a bump, then that would burn at >1,000°C and the thermal runaway would quickly spread all around, including burning through the floor or the ceiling.
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That could never happen in a car park, though:
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To even get to temperatures above 700°C artificially you need to be in a laboratory.
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Vixen said:
So, whilst the flashpoint of diesel is 52°C (we are not talking about the much higher ignition point), and even at that temperature, it would still need something to make it burst into flame, right?
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Yep. Could be an electrical short, sparks caused by metal rubbing on metal, or heat from friction. And diesel will wick into anything porous and flow over surfaces to carry the flames.

As this vehicle had only just stopped the engine would have been hot, especially around the exhaust which would certainly be above 52°C.

So this could only realistically happen whilst the engine is still running, as a parked derv is unlikely to combust of its own accord.
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