Luton Airport Car Park Fire

[theprestige]

How did wet get from parking garage fire to vaccines? How many Kevin Bacons even is that?

The interval between a conspiracy theory that has been introduced but about which the theorist is unwilling to answer questions, and some other conspiracy theory that nobody asked for, has been set by the General Conference of Weights and Measures. It is defined as:

3.14_{Kevin Bacon}^T*S

Where:

T = the time in seconds since the first question

S = the skeptical scale factor, which is the number of questions asked prior to the introduction of the unrelated theory

 

[Jack by the hedge]

You're promoting it here, you own it here.

Be fair. She pointed out that it was a diesel more than once and remarked that some people on social media were making these silly coverup claims. There's nothing in Vixen's post to indicate she thought the Facebook conspiracist idiots were right.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

It sure looked like a thermite reaction to me.

 

[malbui]

Radioactive caterpillars. Sent by Russia.

 

[theprestige]

Be fair. She pointed out that it was a diesel more than once and remarked that some people on social media were making these silly coverup claims. There's nothing in Vixen's post to indicate she thought the Facebook conspiracist idiots were right.

Fair enough.

 

[Mojo]

It sure looked like a thermite reaction to me.

It's in England, so more likely a Marmite reaction.

 

[catsmate]

Are these comments from people who know anything about car fires? I mean if the fire started on the interior of the vehicle, the interior materials would go up pretty quickly and plastics will burn pretty hot. Why is it unusual to have a diesel car fire, when they have a higher incident rate than EVs?

They're Fail commentators, therefore bigoted idiots

 

[LondonJohn]

Be fair. She pointed out that it was a diesel more than once and remarked that some people on social media were making these silly coverup claims. There's nothing in Vixen's post to indicate she thought the Facebook conspiracist idiots were right.

Uhmm it's a bit more than that. She's using the classic "The authorities say it was X, but a lot of people are saying that actually it looks like it was Y".

And bingo! Conspiracy Theory introduced via the standard "Oh I'm only reporting what other people, who seem to know what they're talking about, are saying!"

It's hardly the first time this particular mechanism has been employed......

 

[Mojo]

Uhmm it's a bit more than that. She's using the classic "The authorities say it was X, but a lot of people are saying that actually it looks like it was Y".

And bingo! Conspiracy Theory introduced via the standard "Oh I'm only reporting what other people, who seem to know what they're talking about, are saying!"

It's hardly the first time this particular mechanism has been employed......

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691188836/a-lot-of-people-are-saying

ETA: An early example was included in Little Bonaparte's speech at the 10th Annual Convention of the Friends of Italian Opera.

 

[LondonJohn]

They're Fail commentators, therefore bigoted idiots

Indeed. Vixen seems strangely fixated on using the Mail as a *ahem* trusted source. As you say, if there's anything less trustworthy than Mail reporting, it's the retarded & clueless "readers' comments" below the articles. That anyone actually chooses to cite those comments is tragically telling in and of itself.

As a not-so-slight aside, the Mail too has a classic way of introducing CTs, unevidenced speculation and sensationalism by way of the "purely curious" question. eg (to point out the nature of this device, possibly not actual Mail headlines):

"Did man with super-bright torch dazzle Diana car crash driver?"

"Was tragic Baltic ship disaster caused by Russian intelligence agents?"

"Are there things the authorities are hiding about exploding car at Luton Airport?"

 

[LondonJohn]

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691188836/a-lot-of-people-are-saying

Bingo!

Which is precisely why this thread was moved to its current location. The CT-free version would have said nothing more than that a car caught fire, seemingly very rapidly, in a car park at an airport (none of which is particularly remarkable or inexplicable), and some people found that their own cars had been wrecked by the collateral damage to the car park, while other people were inconvenienced by the delay to their flight. End of story.

 

[theprestige]

Maybe when Vixen gets back, they can clarify that they've rejected the CT hypothesis, and lay the matter to rest.

It wouldn't be the first time someone here reported on a conspiracy theory, for the purpose of pointing and laughing at it.

 

[JayUtah]

You don’t have to advocate the conspiracy theory in order to post it here and have a discussion. But you should know it’s there.

 

[theprestige]

The usual pattern is that members who know they're introducing a conspiracy theory they don't endorse, introduce it in this forum, not in one of the more mainstream forums, where reporters are assumed to be reporting on things they actually believe in.

Things in which they actually believe.

 

[junkshop]

I'm not seeing any championing of CTs in the OP.

It reads (to me) as a description of the currently known facts, and an observation that there are CTs being spread that don't mesh with the facts as they currently stand, and an attempt to discuss that (which absolutely justifies the change of venue).

Given our history, it feels weird to be defending a post by Vixen, but I think that in this case it is only fair.



For now.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Perhaps it was being used to smuggle nuclear waste, which then exploded via elementary chemistry.

Has the possibility that it was rammed by a submarine been ruled out?

It's especially suspicious that, within an hour of the accident, Carl Bildt held a press conference telling the world that the fire started under the hood.

 

[pzkpfw]

At least we now know why submarines have wheels.


(For the record, I once smashed my car into the wall of a parking garage, when the usual puddle of water turned out to be a puddle of fuel. Slowing down and turning to the ramp to the next level became a slide straight ahead. Cameras showed a guy come in leaving a trail, then a pool where he stopped a while by the ticket machine. So a car fire in a parking garage is nothing strange to me.)

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Whilst the police confirm the vehicle in question was a diesel car, there has been much speculation and arguing on social media that the car ‘must have been an EV or Hybrid’ as ‘only a lithium battery would explode like that’.

Someone else has identified the car from its number plates as being a diesel 2014 Land Rover sports model. The issue is that people do not believe that diesel is particularly combustible. Plus the flames seem to spread out from underneath the passenger side ‘indicating an EV battery issue’.

Some seem to believe that police are playing down the EV angle because they do not want to ruin the EV-car market.

The Luddites desperately need it to be an electric car, and the news media has been fueling that fire. Not much we can do about it except wait for the Ludditism to burn out. I just hope the whole World doesn't burn down first.

Electrical fires happen, unrelated to any EV or hybrid batteries.

Stuff stored in the vehicle can start a fire.

Squirrels can stuff an engine compartment full of pine cones and other material including dry leaves they might build a nest with.

No need for any of that. Motor vehicles have plenty of stuff in them already that will burn. Plastics are everywhere in the interior, hoses, wiring, even the bumpers. Once the fire gets hot enough it will burn other stuff too. Eventually It will burn through the fuel line or gas tank, and then the real fun begins.

 

[Orphia Nay]

It's in England, so more likely a Marmite reaction.

Nominated!

 

[Orphia Nay]

I'm not seeing any championing of CTs in the OP.

It reads (to me) as a description of the currently known facts, and an observation that there are CTs being spread that don't mesh with the facts as they currently stand, and an attempt to discuss that (which absolutely justifies the change of venue).

Given our history, it feels weird to be defending a post by Vixen, but I think that in this case it is only fair.



For now.

Vixen presented CTs in the OP. She may not have "championed" them, but she is protesting that they aren't CTs.