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Famous Sycamore Gap tree on Hadrian's Wall had been deliberately cut down

Andy_Ross said:
Are we forgetting it was the middle of the night in a storm?

Anyway, we will find out soon enough
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And no-one's saying it was impossible, just that it wasn't a trivial thing to arrange, not something done on the spur of the moment.
 
a_unique_person said:
Does it matter?
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Not to me. It's all amateur Kremlinology. It's fun to speculate, and it's funny to see people get unreasonably invested in this or that speculation.

Mostly I'm just amusing myself by needling the "it must have been pre-planned, because a gasoline-powered bike can't go anywhere a calorie-powered bike can" line of reasoning.

I'm also mildly curious about whether it was pre-planned, or was an idea that had been bouncing around for a while, or was truly spontaneous; and what the motive was. And of course I'm at least a little curious about how the saw actually got up the hill. Personally I think spontaneously grabbing a chainsaw and riding a quad bike up a hill in a storm is just as reasonable a hypothesis as laying a meticulous plan to grab a chainsaw and take a horse up the hill the next good storm that comes along.
 
Nah, in order to be interesting everything has to be as complex as possible. Did someone die of a stab wound and their worst enemy was standing over the body with a bloody knife? Clearly it's an elaborate frame-up conspiracy involving dozens of people, a mystery that will unfold over three seasons on Netflix.

I blame the modern habit of viewing everything as entertainment and therefore expecting everything to be entertaining.
 
I've seen it alleged (no link was given) that the two accused were tenant farmers who had just been evicted by the National Trust. If true it would at least suggest some semblance of a motive.
 
According to the Telegraph, someone with a National Trust grudge felled the Sycamore Gap tree, locals say.

It's paywalled so only got the headline
 
theprestige said:
Personally I think spontaneously grabbing a chainsaw and riding a quad bike up a hill in a storm is just as reasonable a hypothesis as laying a meticulous plan to grab a chainsaw and take a horse up the hill the next good storm that comes along.
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You want to be careful waving all that straw about in case there's someone with a match nearby.
 
Andy_Ross said:
According to the Telegraph, someone with a National Trust grudge felled the Sycamore Gap tree, locals say.

It's paywalled so only got the headline
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Isn't it The Telegraph that's done quite a bit of stirring up anger at the National Trust (telling visitors to a stately home built using the profits of slavery that the stately home they're visiting was built using the proceeds of slavery is Woke)
 
Lothian said:
The match is your argument and the arse of the horse you are obsessed with.
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No. In zooterkin's metaphor, he envisions the straw as the argument. The match has to be something else. And the horse wasn't my idea. I'm happy to discard the horse any time. Are we discarding the horse now, or are you still concerned about my concern about the horse?
 
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theprestige said:
No. In zooterkin's metaphor, he envisions the straw as the argument. The match has to be something else. And the horse wasn't my idea. I'm happy to discard the horse any time. Are we discarding the horse now, or are you still concerned about my concern about the horse?
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It was the horse that discarded a match, carelessly setting fire to the tree!! I knew those were evil animals, I've been warning everyone for years!! Oh, wait, it was cut down, not burned down. I fear I've found a flaw in your theory.
 
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