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Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

Nessie said:
He is being attacked on all sides, by the media, who have seen the police and NHS on the receiving end of a lot of criticism and bad press over abusive, coercive and criminal behaviour towards women, and know they are next, so they are wanting to appear to be already acting.
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I'd like to see more cases of people who are up and coming or at their peak, and still in the good graces of the media, being caught with their pants down (metaphorically and/or literally). When the only people it happens to are either past their prime or out of favor, I'm left with the distinct impression that there are culprits out there right now being protected.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'd like to see more cases of people who are up and coming or at their peak, and still in the good graces of the media, being caught with their pants down (metaphorically and/or literally). When the only people it happens to are either past their prime or out of favor, I'm left with the distinct impression that there are culprits out there right now being protected.
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Agreed. The media, police and NHS will go for low hanging fruit in their drive to reform. Brand is an easy catch.
 
Darat said:
Perception/impression - is there much difference in this context? You are illustrating what I said - your impression was incorrect.
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And utterly irrelevant to the allegations at hand.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'd like to see more cases of people who are up and coming or at their peak, and still in the good graces of the media, being caught with their pants down (metaphorically and/or literally). When the only people it happens to are either past their prime or out of favor, I'm left with the distinct impression that there are culprits out there right now being protected.
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Here in Japan the crimes of Johnny Kitagawa are finally being repudiated. Only a few years after he died of old age.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'd like to see more cases of people who are up and coming or at their peak, and still in the good graces of the media, being caught with their pants down (metaphorically and/or literally). When the only people it happens to are either past their prime or out of favor, I'm left with the distinct impression that there are culprits out there right now being protected.
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I dunno, Weinstein was still a heavy hitter when he got taken down. I agree with the notion that people in positions of influence and power are harder targets than washed up has-beens like Brand, but there seems to me to have been a real change recently that this kind of bad behavior can topple even the most influential.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
I used to dislike Russell Brand as an entertainer and from what I perceived of him, as a person. In fact I'd go as far as saying I detested him, everything about him - his appearance, his crass 90's FHM/Loaded 'lad' humour (FFS - he just wasn't frikking funny except to mouth breathers) but .... had accusations like those currently being made by conveniently anonymous individuals, conveniently "verified" by journalists (whatever that word means to them nowadays, but take their word for it anyway, right?) my eyebrows would have gone up.

Now? I've watched more than few of his YT and Rumble videos (some hosted on the latter site because YT censorship would have nuked them) and it's crystal clear what's going on - a coordinated character-assassination campaign, nothing more or less.

I have to wonder if it hasn't blown up a little more than even its orchestrators intended, and that (as with the 'Depp V Heard thing') a lot of people who still give the corporate media the benefit of the doubt (if not treat it as gospel) will be scratching their heads.

That might be moot because the intention was to shut him up and in that they've most definitely succeeded, at least for the foreseeable future.
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Crystal clear? Might that be be because the fact-challenged drivel he foists aligns with your biases?
 
sinnikal said:
Have we now reached the stage that actions that are amoral, unethical and plain wrong deemed to be fine and dandy because they don't quite reach the point of illegality?
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Of course not.

sinnikal said:
Is this now the normal state of civilised behaviour? Nothing can be condemned or denounced if it aint illegal?
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If it aint illegal you can condemn and denounce all you want, but you end up sounding like the religious nutters who do it all the time. Vote to change the laws if you have an issue with them.
 
bluesjnr said:
I don't know if he's guilty or not and I'll wait to see how that unfolds when, and if, charges are laid. I watched him doing stand up many years ago and he was hilarious. Apart from that I never watched or kept up with any thing he did on telly or YT but did note that he'd dropped the political schtick.

I'm seeing a lot sentient thinking being admitted to here along the lines of, "I always thought he was X and Y and I'm saying that to suggest he's probably guilty".
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Do you have a link to Brand being hilarious? I seem to have missed that.
 
Unlike assorted notorious cases of recent times (for e.g. Savile, Weinstein, Gadd) that the media whores are trying to draw comparisons with, Brand has friends and supporters, not to mention and a wife and two daughters, so I reckon things might get ... interesting.
 
trustbutverify said:
Do you have a link to Brand being hilarious? I seem to have missed that.
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As I've already declaimed, I didn't find him "hilarious" but he raised a smile sometimes. More recently he's used his motor-mouth quite effectively to lampoon people in the political sphere.
 
You don't think Savile and Weinstein had supporters before the allegations turned up (and started to be proven true)?
 
TheGoldcountry said:
You don't think Savile and Weinstein had supporters before the allegations turned up (and started to be proven true)?
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Indeed: Savile had friends and supporters in NHS management in Leeds and at other hospitals where he "volunteered" (numerous ward nurses at LGI made complaints to management, some sisters, including, err, my sister, tried to bar him from their wards, but they were all told to STFU; same happened at Broadmoor), not to mention in West Yorkshire police, the House of Commons and the Royal family...

He had loads of folk covering his back.
 
sinnikal said:
Have we now reached the stage that actions that are amoral, unethical and plain wrong deemed to be fine and dandy because they don't quite reach the point of illegality?

Is this now the normal state of civilised behaviour? Nothing can be condemned or denounced if it aint illegal?
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I don't believe we have reached that point. In fact so many public figures take criticism for moral wrongs that there's a backlash against it referring to "cancel culture".
 
sinnikal said:
Have we now reached the stage that actions that are amoral, unethical and plain wrong deemed to be fine and dandy because they don't quite reach the point of illegality?

Is this now the normal state of civilised behaviour? Nothing can be condemned or denounced if it aint illegal?
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Have we reached the point that ruining the lives of unknowable numbers of innocent men is "a price worth paying" in setting a bar for evidence for sexual assault allegations by women lower than for literally any and all other crimes?
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Have we reached the point that ruining the lives of unknowable numbers of innocent men is "a price worth paying" in setting a bar for evidence for sexual assault allegations by women lower than for literally any and all other crimes?
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Hopefully not, but that's not applicable in this case so I don't know why you brought it up.
 
Have we reached the point where people must ask rhetorical questions starting with "have we reached the point"? I'd say the answer is almost certainly "maybe"!
 
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