Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

[angrysoba]

Brand has always been an idiot conspiracy theorist and contrarian.

His "politics" such as they are, have always been stupid and puerile.

He became famous by telling people not to vote because voting makes no difference. This was during the Conservative-led government with their policy of austerity.

Voter suppression is often music to the ears of conservatives, so they must have very much appreciated him telling younger (and presumably more liberal/left-wing) people not to vote and leaving it to an older and presumably more conservative electorate to decide who runs the country.

And after the following election, the Conservative Party went forward with their promises of a vote on Brexit. People voted to leave. So the idea that voting makes no difference was falsified at least twice while this idiot blathered on self-importantly.

In this thread, it turns out that Brand was "open-minded" on 9/11.

There is a quote about Brand from David Aaronovitch...

One night, two weeks ago, the comedian and revolutionary Russell Brand attended a Guardian event where an Oxford-educated man with a Welsh name (Owen Jones) asked him nothing, and where he was loved-up by a simpering audience ("I've not got the emotional maturity not to fall in love with you," he was told by India from Brighton), and then went post-haste to the BBC Newsnight studio where he was asked gentle questions by an Oxford-educated man with a Welsh name, and shown a graph.
Perhaps the contrast between the two events was too sudden for a smooth adjustment. Brand was rude and surly. "This is the stuff people like you use to confuse people like us," he told the interviewer, Evan Davis, about the graph, and then added a complaint about "an Oxford-educated man being rude to me, an autodidact".
Having read his new book — which is uniquely worthless both as an exercise in writing and as a manifesto for social change — I feel able to dismiss Brand's new self-ascriptions, both as self-taught man and revolutionary. He is neither. An autodidact is not someone who, as Brand does, summons up a convenient line from Goethe cut and pasted from the endless shallows of Wikiquote (or, more probably, gets someone else to do it). An autodidact is, rather, someone who learns German and reads the original — as my father did. As to revolutionaries — successful ones tend, unlike Brand, to have plans and strategies, which is what makes them formidable, if no fun at orgies.
Far from being an autodidact, Brand creates a wall of sound and words designed to drown out the possibility of thought. He follows nothing through, sticks with nothing, but flits like a medallioned moth between sensations. Although he is certainly bright enough to learn difficult things in a rigorous way, he is nowhere near disciplined enough to do it. So you have to describe him as self-dumbed-down. He is, if you like, auto-plumbic.

Apparently in his book....

Brand believes in God. Or a god. And it's in a chapter based on a Brandian exegesis of the Lord's Prayer, that the reader can find both the best and worst of the author. There's an arresting and genuinely well-written passage about his feelings about taking two young women home, partying with them in his Jacuzzi and then discovering himself having sex with them. "Like perfumed and gloss vultures," he writes, "they peck my carcass and a petit mort is insufficient; I am like Frankenstein here, assembled from boneyard parts." I actually began to feel sorry for his alienation, until I remembered what it was he was actually describing. Then I started to worry for the vultures.
And then he adds, appallingly, "I don't want to be led back to that. I want to be delivered from evil. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever, Amen." Psalm 23 would have been more appropriate: what to do when your rod and your staff comfort you no longer.

The book was written after the time that has been described in the recent allegations.

 

[angrysoba]

I had to look up Dave Rubin too (he seems nice /s )

Notice how many people fail at comedy and become conspiracy theorist contrarians!

Rubin, very unfunny right-wing loony conspiracy theorist.
Jimmy ******* Dore.
Joe Rogan.
Those guys on Triggernometry, etc...

 

[Vixen]

'In Plain Sight' is an apposite description of how Brand compares to Savile. Both joked about their pervy natures in public broadcasts as though their creepy references were lovable peccadilloes. Yet because 'comedians' and 'characters' are supposed to be a little bit risqué, people laugh along with them and that is how they get away with it. Savile literally abused hundreds of people, many of them minors, or people stricken in hospital beds, but he never hid it. There was one memorable occasion when he told Selina Scott (iirc) that he'd like to get into a tent with her. How everybody laughed! Including Selina herself. In retrospect, we see how incredibly creepy he was. ight under our nose. Likewise Brand. OK, he made sure they were all 'over 16' but he brought his perviness into the workplace and bragged about his conquests to all and sundry. In many ways he is just like Savile.

 

[zooterkin]

The Sun has the story on their front page (I saw it at the MOT garage), and two of the headlines call out the BBC, despite working there being only part of his career. Standard practice for a Murdoch organ to attack the Beeb. Channel 4 are mentioned in the article, of course, but not so prominently.

 

[Darat]

I've heard Brand referred to as "Andrew Tate with hair".



What's IDW?

His public persona at least recently has been as a family man and he has supported charities dealing with women specific issues.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The Sun has the story on their front page (I saw it at the MOT garage), and two of the headlines call out the BBC, despite working there being only part of his career. Standard practice for a Murdoch organ to attack the Beeb. Channel 4 are mentioned in the article, of course, but not so prominently.

"the Labour party and BBC have some very serious questions to answer about their working with Russell Brand" say the right media who have leapt to defend him, proclaim him innocent and offer him a job.

 

[Darat]

'In Plain Sight' is an apposite description of how Brand compares to Savile. Both joked about their pervy natures in public broadcasts as though their creepy references were lovable peccadilloes. Yet because 'comedians' and 'characters' are supposed to be a little bit risqué, people laugh along with them and that is how they get away with it. Savile literally abused hundreds of people, many of them minors, or people stricken in hospital beds, but he never hid it. There was one memorable occasion when he told Selina Scott (iirc) that he'd like to get into a tent with her. How everybody laughed! Including Selina herself. In retrospect, we see how incredibly creepy he was. ight under our nose. Likewise Brand. OK, he made sure they were all 'over 16' but he brought his perviness into the workplace and bragged about his conquests to all and sundry. In many ways he is just like Savile.

I don't know anyone who didn't find him creepy before his crimes were revealed.

 

[Orphia Nay]

His public persona at least recently has been as a family man and he has supported charities dealing with women specific issues.

I believe the women's charity, or one of them, has now cut ties with him.

 

[Nessie]

I would prefer trial by police investigating and in court, than a trial by the media.

Trial by media tends to happen only for selected complainers, is affected by factors such as is the person they are complaining about famous?

 

[Orphia Nay]

"the Labour party and BBC have some very serious questions to answer about their working with Russell Brand" say the right media who have leapt to defend him, proclaim him innocent and offer him a job.

"He's innocent, but the left are bad for enabling his crimes".

 

[a_unique_person]

https://www.theage.com.au/culture/c...-russell-brand-resurface-20230918-p5e5hz.html


In a 2006 interview with the UK publication The Mirror, Australian singer Dannii Minogue recalled an appearance with the comedian on his MTV chatshow, 1 Leicester Square.


Minogue had been booked on the show to discuss the release of her album The Hits & Beyond.
“He is completely crazy and a bit of a vile predator. I certainly don’t think he has cured his sex addiction, that’s for sure. He wouldn’t take no for an answer,” she said.
“He’s obviously very intelligent – but he wears more make-up than I do. Normally, I love guys with eyeliner on. It can be very sexy, but not on Russell. Absolutely no way, never, he’s just not my type.
“Throughout the whole interview, he kept making shocking remarks that I can’t even repeat. Just uttering the words would make me blush.”


Meanwhile, in a resurfaced Vogue interview from 2013, Brand’s ex-wife Katy Perry described his behaviour as “very controlling”, alluding to what she described as a “real truth” about Brand that she would not disclose.

It's been an open secret for many years now.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Cold War Steve.

Uncle Jimmy

A 'Savile Row' tracksuit Snigger

 

[Darat]

It's been an open secret for many years now.

Has it? By that I mean that he raped someone and sexually assaulted others.

Wasn't much to watch on telly last night so we watched the documentary. There were claims made that I knew were untrue, for example the claim about what was in his employment contract, and when I know false claims are being made it never sits well with me when I'm trying to make my mind up about the other claims made.

From the documentary it sounds like he was known at the time to be promiscuous, and his sexual preferences were for more aggressive sex than perhaps "the norm" and he didn't have set boundaries neither professionally nor personally. It didn't sound as if people knew he was sexually assaulting women and that he raped one woman at the time.

From what was in the documentary I would say the claim that he raped at least one woman seems to be true and that he sexually assaulted others.

 

[angrysoba]

Cold War Steve.

Uncle Jimmy

A 'Savile Row' tracksuit Snigger

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Bad news if you know who all of the people in the photograph are. I think the only one I am not sure about is the one behind Coast Guy.

ETA: Is it Marianne Williamson or Sam Sorbo?

 

[Andy_Ross]

There were claims made that I knew were untrue, for example the claim about what was in his employment contract, and when I know false claims are being made it never sits well with me when I'm trying to make my mind up about the other claims made.

You're seen his contract?

 

[bluesjnr]

You're seen his contract?

I'm betting he's either read the initial Times article which confirms the specific allegation as untrue or it was mentioned in the documentary (I haven't seen it).

Endemol said they have reviewed the contract and Brand did not have a clause pertaining to sexual relationships.

Just so you're on the the right track. The allegation made re the contract has been confirmed, by those who undertook the investigation, to be untrue.

 

[dann]

Russell Brand accuser calls his response to allegations ‘insulting’ (TheGuardian, Sep 18, 2023)

 

[Vixen]

OMG Have you seen the state of Ron Brand, Russell's father? Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

He's saying we should be worrying about immigration LOL and the cost of living crisis, not about his poxy son.

 

[Matthew Best]

There were claims made that I knew were untrue, for example the claim about what was in his employment contract, and when I know false claims are being made it never sits well with me when I'm trying to make my mind up about the other claims made.

One of the journalists who did the investigation into Brand was also responsible for this investigation:

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/02/25/...-beast-danielle-hindley-v-the-mail-on-sunday/

So the writer wrote a defamatory article, which she knew to be false, which then caused her employers to lose a libel case and pay substantial damages. The victim of the Daily Mail's lies in the above case, Danielle Bennett, is all over Twitter pointing this out. I have some sympathy - if I knew a journalist had lied about me, then I'd not be very inclined to believe anything they said ever again. She is not saying this proves Brand is innocent, she's just saying that it behooves the press not to employ journalists who've been proved to have lied before when conducting a serious and important investigation like this one.

 

[Darat]

You're seen his contract?

Didn't need to, the claims made about it would not have been legal in the UK so know it would not have made it through any legal review, and his contract being from the company it was would have been through legal review of some kind.