Cont: The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VI

[Vixen]

It's there in black and white, it was your claim. Here is is again.


Highlighted, so you can't miss it. You claimed to be a psychology postgraduate.


You clearly didn't take logic at any level, if you think that's a reasonable claim based on what I've said.

If you do postgraduate studies in a subject, then you can claim to be a postgrad in that subject; if you've actually got a qualification as a result of that study, then you would be even more entitled to the claim.

Again, how the **** can you twist my words to come up with that ridiculous statement?


Another statement that applies more to your posts than anyone else's in this thread.

Absolute rubbish. The original post was in informal conversational tone, lower p, and it wasn't claiming I had a masters in Psychology. It said psychology postgraduate and that is a fact.

 

[JayUtah]

The other problem is abuse of the theory when perpetrators of serious crimes use this theory (and it is only an academical theory) to argue their victims had 'false memory'.

Actually, no, it was proven factually in the McMartin preschool case. Your dislike of these findings seems to have more to do with your sympathy for overzealous legal prosecution that it does with your ability to accurately summarize and refute the scientific findings.

It doesn't follow ipso facto that eyewitness memory is false.

That's not the argument.

Most people involved in traumatic incidents will simply say they cannot remember a particular bit.

True in some cases, but irrelevant. First, the event does not have to be traumatic in order to be subject to ordinary recall factors. Second, the problem is not what isn't remembered, but what is wrongly remembered. As you noted, the witness is unable to distinguish actual memory from narrative smoothing and so honestly reports both equally.

The neurological effects of trauma (versus non-trauma) do affect this model, just not in the way you outline. As you pursue this research, you find there's kind of a plot twist. And no, you can't just Google for it. Let's see if your knowledge of the field is up to the task of finding it.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

No, it isn't. You're a postgrad who has a psych graduate degree. You are NOT a psychology postgrad. Words have meanings.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If we're playing makey uppey. I'm a lumberjack, just like my dear Papa

 

[Vixen]

No, we're putting forward the correct claim that your postgraduate study was in accountancy, not in psychology. It doesn't matter that someone thought your bachelor's degree in whatever field was sufficient to begin a study of accounting. Accounting is not psychology, and it is misleading for you to present yourself as a "psychology postgraduate."

Again factually incorrect. After graduating I became a member of the British Psychological Society. So a postgraduate proper.

 

[JayUtah]

Absolute rubbish. The original post was in informal conversational tone, lower p, and it wasn't claiming I had a masters in Psychology.

Really? Now your argument is that there's a difference between psychology and Psychology?

The "tone" was you berating Mark Corrigan for his insolence. You were clearly claiming superior expertise in psychology (however you want to capitalize it) and cited to postgraduate study in support of that.

It said psychology postgraduate and that is a fact.

It is not. You were not a psychology postgraduate. You were a psychology graduate. Those words have precise meanings in academia. If you're going to invoke academic language, you must use it correctly in order to avoid criticism.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

So Vixen, if I were to become a chartered accountant that would mean I was a politics postgraduate, according to you?

 

[JayUtah]

Again factually incorrect. After graduating I became a member of the British Psychological Society. So a postgraduate proper.

No. You are a psychology graduate. That qualifies you for membership in the BPS, but society membership is not a continuing program of academic study. Your postgraduate study is in accounting.

 

[SpitfireIX]

No, we're putting forward the correct claim that your postgraduate study was in accountancy, not in psychology. It doesn't matter that someone thought your bachelor's degree in whatever field was sufficient to begin a study of accounting. Accounting is not psychology, and it is misleading for you to present yourself as a "psychology postgraduate."

I have a BA in history, a BS in mechanical engineering technology, and a bachelors-level certificate in accounting. I also have an MS in industrial technology. By Vixen's logic, I could properly claim to be a "history postgrad," an "accounting postgrad," or an "MET postgrad."

 

[GlennB]

Mastermind music plays, ...

Presenter: "Our next contestant is Vixen. Vixen, what is your specialist subject?"

Vixen: "Being wrong"

Presenter: "You have 2 minutes to be as wrong as often as possible. Your time starts now"

[2 minutes later, the beeper beeps]

Presenter: "At the end of that round you have the astonishing score of 22 wrong answers, with no passes. A new Mastermind record, by far"

[Huge applause from audience]

 

[JayUtah]

I have a BA in history, a BS in mechanical engineering technology, and a bachelors-level certificate in accounting. I also have an MS in industrial technology. By Vixen's logic, I could properly claim to be a "history postgrad," an "accounting postgrad," or an "MET postgrad."

But did you study physics for 12 years?

 

[Here_to_learn]

That is not to say there was an explosion but it has never been looked into because the whole aim of the JAIC was to prove it was a few strong waves that knocked the bow visor off.

Chapter 8.12 in the JAIC report specifically say that the Finnish police performed the analysis looking for traces of explosives.

I guess that they are not trusted by Vixen.

 

[SpitfireIX]

But did you study physics for 12 years?

I was actually going to mention something along those lines, but related to law rather than physics. For my accounting certificate, I had to take two courses in business law, which also included some general legal theory. I did well in these classes. I certainly know more about law than the average layman, but again by Vixen's logic, I'm also qualified to critique the legal opinions of expert lawyers.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Again factually incorrect. After graduating I became a member of the British Psychological Society. So a postgraduate proper.

Oh really?

For UK-based applicants, you must meet the following criteria to begin the application process:

Hold at least a 2:2 undergraduate honours degree
Passed the empirical project in an undergraduate degree accredited by the BPS, or to have completed an accredited conversion course
Have copies of your academic transcripts (list of subjects and grades) to upload
If you’re a non-member, you must pay a non-refundable £42 application assessment fee

 

[Mashuna]

So Vixen, if I were to become a chartered accountant that would mean I was a politics postgraduate, according to you?

I'm a Politics graduate, with an MSc in Computing and a Chartered Accountant (CIPFA). I think that means I have postgraduate qualifications in GSCE Italian, somehow.

 

[Vixen]

So Vixen, if I were to become a chartered accountant that would mean I was a politics postgraduate, according to you?

Many maths graduates go into accountancy. Are you saying they are not maths postgraduates just because their first degree isn't in accountancy? No. Many chartered accountants come from maths and economics backgrounds (these are the only ones likely to get you any exemption). I got an exemption because BSc(Hons) Psychology has a strong statistical focus. In addition, many of the accountancy modules require an understanding of mathematical concepts, economics, statistics, probability theory, standard deviation, as in measuring market volatility, and in psychological elements, as in leadership skills, motivation, marketing, change management, business strategy, negotiation and report writing etc.,etc.

I think if someone tells you they are a maths postgraduate, it doesn't necessarilyy follow they are claiming they have a masters degree is in mathematics.

 

[Vixen]

No. You are a psychology graduate. That qualifies you for membership in the BPS, but society membership is not a continuing program of academic study. Your postgraduate study is in accounting.

You can be a postgraduate without having any masters degree. You could still be studying. Any postgraduate study is post graduate. I went into accountancy as a postgraduate. Whether you like it or not.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Many maths graduates go into accountancy. Are you saying they are not maths postgraduates just because their first degree isn't in accountancy? No.

If their post graduate degree is in accounting not maths then yes. They are not maths postgrads, they are accounting postgrads, which is different.

Many chartered accountants come from maths and economics backgrounds (these are the only ones likely to get you any exemption). I got an exemption because BSc(Hons) Psychology has a strong statistical focus.

That's nice. You're still not a psych postgrad.

In addition, many of the accountancy modules require an understanding of mathematical concepts, economics, statistics, probability theory, standard deviation, as in measuring market volatility, and in psychological elements, as in leadership skills, motivation, marketing, change management, business strategy, negotiation and report writing etc.,etc.

Also nice. So what?

I think if someone tells you they are a maths postgraduate, it doesn't necessarilyy follow they are claiming they have a masters degree is in mathematics.

Yes, it does. Masters or Doctorate at any rate. It could be pure maths, applied maths, statistics...does not matter as long as it's maths. Accounting is not a mathematics degree. They would not be a maths postgrad.

 

[Vixen]

I have a BA in history, a BS in mechanical engineering technology, and a bachelors-level certificate in accounting. I also have an MS in industrial technology. By Vixen's logic, I could properly claim to be a "history postgrad," an "accounting postgrad," or an "MET postgrad."

If you take up another course of study that is dependent on your previous grraduate qualifications then you are a postgraduate.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

You can be a postgraduate without having any masters degree. You could still be studying. Any postgraduate study is post graduate. I went into accountancy as a postgraduate. Whether you like it or not.

Yes you did. No one is claiming you're not a postgraduate. We're stating you're not a psychology postgraduate. There's a difference, and your desperate flailing won't change that.