Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

trustbutverify said:
The US Green Party have been Putin cheerleaders for decades now. Are they right-wingers?
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Really ? The Green Party in the UK haven't been fans. Currently it's because of Ukraine but prior to that it was all about Russia's exports of fossil fuels, its support of Assad in Syria, its anti-democratic policies and its anti-LBGTQ+ legislation.
 
It's just so weird in America because so much about Jewish People in America so wrapped up in the Far Right and their "a place called Israel has to exist to it can be destroyed when Jesus return" belief.

So is "X statement about Jews Right Winged" is... hard to answer because it's a question of motive as much as it is about opinion.
 
The Don said:
Really ? The Green Party in the UK haven't been fans. Currently it's because of Ukraine but prior to that it was all about Russia's exports of fossil fuels, its support of Assad in Syria, its anti-democratic policies and its anti-LBGTQ+ legislation.
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Because the UK Greens maintain progressive values. Actually, the US GP seems to be split down the middle. The Jill Stein wing is full on tankie, which is opposite the Howie Hawkins group.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Anti extremism researchers like the ADL are using their well established reputations to make the rather plain observation that Musk's Twitter is becoming a haven of anti semites, conspiracy theories, and other overt bigots, so obviously the reasonable response is to whine about the "woke mind virus".

Musk's in a hole and thinks he can dig his way out
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Instead, he is just digging himself in deeper and deeper.
 
The Don said:
Really ? The Green Party in the UK haven't been fans. Currently it's because of Ukraine but prior to that it was all about Russia's exports of fossil fuels, its support of Assad in Syria, its anti-democratic policies and its anti-LBGTQ+ legislation.
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US Green Party is different then foreign Green Parties. Many members of the Europaen Green Parties consider the American Green Party to be a collection of loons.
 
Still laughing at the idea of the ADL being right wing.
They are in favor of the survival of Israel, yes, so I guess you could call them Zionist, but they have not been carrying water for BIbie for the nutcases he put in his gvoernment.
Sad to say, blind Hatred of Israel has become Dogma for many on the Hard Left.
 
Anybody still think Musk is playing Four DImentional CHess with Twitter..or whatever the hell he is calling it today...and he will end up making billions from it?
I understand now why Muck will never own a public company; he could not stand the scrutiny and criticism that comes with that.
 
dudalb said:
Anybody still think Musk is playing Four DImentional CHess with Twitter..or whatever the hell he is calling it today...and he will end up making billions from it?
I understand now why Muck will never own a public company; he could not stand the scrutiny and criticism that comes with that.
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Tesla is public, and he's both CEO and the largest shareholder.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Tesla is public, and he's both CEO and the largest shareholder.
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I stand corrected and am surprised. I think Musk is the type who would wnat all his businesses privately owned.

I hope Musk really does sue the ADL( which of course he has no intention of actually doing); all the ADL would need to win is show all the neo Nazi and Anti Semetic crap that has flooded Twitter since Musk lifted all the rules.
 
That Musk cut off his communiation service to Ukraine last year during a military action has created a pretty big fuss. Particculary since the US Military uses the same system.
IMHO giving anybody outside the Military the ability to mess aroun with operations is a bad, bad, idea.
 
dudalb said:
That Musk cut off his communiation service to Ukraine last year during a military action has created a pretty big fuss. Particculary since the US Military uses the same system.
IMHO giving anybody outside the Military the ability to mess aroun with operations is a bad, bad, idea.
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Perhaps something that might cause the military to rethink how much of their critical logistics systems should remain in private hands.

Most of the big military contractors are happy to work hand-in-glove to give the military whatever they like. It's how they make their money, after all, there's really nothing to be gained by causing problems.

But there's always the risk you have to deal with the petulance of some modern day Robber Baron who thinks they know best and should insert themselves into high stakes foreign affairs.
 
The real interesting thing about Elon's anti-ADL screed is that he seems to be saying that the company has gone from being worth 44 billion when he paid for it to only 4 billion today

In the post, Musk charges that "ADL seems responsible for most of our revenue loss" and adds, "I don't see any scenario where they're responsible for less than 10% of the value destruction, so around $4 billion." It's logical to assume that by "value," Musk means the $44 billion paid for the property, not the equity portion. After all, if you bought a house for $440,000, borrowed $130,000, and funded the remaining $310,000 in cash, and the price fell, you'd calculate the fall in "value" based in how much less than $440,000 the dwelling would fetch today.

In Musk's reckoning, the ADL singlehandedly vaporized roughly $4 billion in X's "value," and that $4 billion accounts for around 10% of the entire decline in the franchise's worth. That formula puts the total fall at $40 billion. Since Musk and partners paid $44 billion including debt, he's implying that the platform would now change hands for $4 billion (the $44 billion purchase price minus the $40 billion in "value destruction"), for a drop of 90%. In effect, he's saying that the $31 billion he and his partners invested in equity is totally gone, and a big portion of the debt from provided by the cream of Wall Street sits far underwater.

Does Elon Musk really believe that X is now worth $4 billion, as his scorching post suggests? Maybe not. But he's just inflicted still another battering on his already beleaguered brand that will further undermine its standing in the eyes of advertisers. His view may be that it's acceptable to exaggerate the pain and throw around numbers when you're the victim, when it's somebody else's fault. If X indeed proves a financial cataclysm, people are likely to forget the excuses, and examine the careening missteps from its mercurial sole proprietor.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/according-elon-musk-own-math-204413573.html

Obviously Elon is a notorious liar and nobody should really take any figure he gives at face value, but it's telling that even in Elon's fantasy world there's no denying how disastrously Twitter is tanking since he's taken over.

Even if his wildest dreams came true and courts found the ADL liable for a huge defamation payment (lol, not gonna happen) they simply don't have the ability to cover such a huge loss. The damage Musk has done to the company may well be irreversible at this point.
 
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dudalb said:
I stand corrected and am surprised. I think Musk is the type who would wnat all his businesses privately owned.

I hope Musk really does sue the ADL( which of course he has no intention of actually doing); all the ADL would need to win is show all the neo Nazi and Anti Semetic crap that has flooded Twitter since Musk lifted all the rules.
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wouldn't even go that far. He would have to prove that the ADL did indeed get advertisers to leave Twitter and they did so with malicious intent.

Then, if by some miracle a judge goes along with that, they can show the rise in antisemitism and other forms of bigotry on Twitter.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Perhaps something that might cause the military to rethink how much of their critical logistics systems should remain in private hands.

Most of the big military contractors are happy to work hand-in-glove to give the military whatever they like. It's how they make their money, after all, there's really nothing to be gained by causing problems.

But there's always the risk you have to deal with the petulance of some modern day Robber Baron who thinks they know best and should insert themselves into high stakes foreign affairs.
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You mean like Peter Thiel and Palantir?
 
honestly, the right to use your speech to maliciously damage others is kind of what he's been standing up for the whole time
 
Donal said:
wouldn't even go that far. He would have to prove that the ADL did indeed get advertisers to leave Twitter and they did so with malicious intent.

Then, if by some miracle a judge goes along with that, they can show the rise in antisemitism and other forms of bigotry on Twitter.
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Worth mentioning that describing Twitter as racist or anti-Semitic or whatever is inherently an opinion, and so long as whatever facts they are relying on to reach that opinion are not outright lies there's no avenue for a defamation case.

Musk and his coterie of right wing freaks like to play games pretending that their anti-Semitic dog-whistling isn't obviously anti-Semitic, but that's not the kind of thing you can sue for defamation over. Very little doubt that these hate-watch groups like the ADL can easily show their work.

calling Musk's twitter a den for bigots is 100% 1A protected speech.

Really don't think Musk is ever going to file, this is just designating a scapegoat for the disastrous failure of Musk's Twitter that is getting increasingly difficult to deny.
 
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lobosrul5 said:
The adl isn't right wing. This is readily apparent by Musks hatred of them. Nazi's otoh deserve their right to free speech on his platform per Muskrat.
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It offers unconditional support to the far right etnically exclusive Israeli project, reflexively labelling even the most modest justified criticism as anti-semitic. I could make a very strong case that the ADL is national socialist adjacent.
 
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