Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

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Biden's pro-labor NLRB remains by far the best reason to support his administration.

The National Labor Relations Board issued a ruling on Friday that changes the framework for unionizations, making it easier for workers to organize and harder for companies to fight back against them.

The new process comes as part of a decision in the case between Cemex Construction Materials Pacific, LLC and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, where the Board found that the employer had committed over 20 “instances of objectionable or unlawful misconduct” between the filing of the union election petition and the election itself, intending to dissuade workers from organizing.


The decision requires that if a majority of workers ask a company for voluntary recognition of their union, the company must either immediately recognize them or promptly file a petition asking the Board to hold a union election.
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Companies that use delay tactics when presented by a majority of workers with union cards will find the union automatically recognized, greatly reducing the ability of union-busting by indefinite delay.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy3xej/companies-that-union-bust-must-now-automatically-recognize-union-nlrb-rules
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Shot down, blew up ...how does such pedantic verbiage matter? I don't even recall what her exact words were.

Haley said Putin was behind it. [/discussion]

Enjoy Happy Arrestmas Day and laughing at Trumpy's mugshot.
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I wasn't being pedantic. I was just passing on information.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Biden's pro-labor NLRB remains by far the best reason to support his administration.



Companies that use delay tactics when presented by a majority of workers with union cards will find the union automatically recognized, greatly reducing the ability of union-busting by indefinite delay.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy3xej/companies-that-union-bust-must-now-automatically-recognize-union-nlrb-rules
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Unfortunately lots of Americans are conditioned to say "Unions? Bah!" without examining the details.
 
Word has finally spread about the man. He was always sketchy but managed to maintain the veneer of a statesman. Now, with multiple podcasts and other sources like Behind the Bastards have really shown the crap he got up to. He is pretty much despised by younger voters who never saw him in a government position. Biden would gain little by having Kissinger show up at the White House and might actually annoy som younger voters.
 
gnome said:
Unfortunately lots of Americans are conditioned to say "Unions? Bah!" without examining the details.
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It's increasingly my opinion that both Democratic and Republican parties have totally given up on the notion that politics can (or should) improve material conditions for their constituencies and now instead are locked into tedious aesthetic squabbles.

I am pretty surprised how little people outside the lefty niche that cares a lot about labor issues are following the series of great policies being implemented by Biden's NLRB. It's one of the few areas where Biden is actually able to do anything despite the split legislature and seems to be one of the major improvements of life that can be tied to Biden's victory and there just isn't that much interest.

Oh well I guess.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
It's increasingly my opinion that both Democratic and Republican parties have totally given up on the notion that politics can (or should) improve material conditions for their constituencies and now instead are locked into tedious aesthetic squabbles.

I am pretty surprised how little people outside the lefty niche that cares a lot about labor issues are following the series of great policies being implemented by Biden's NLRB. It's one of the few areas where Biden is actually able to do anything despite the split legislature and seems to be one of the major improvements of life that can be tied to Biden's victory and there just isn't that much interest.

Oh well I guess.
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I think it comes from the nature of the opposition.

When you have no in-depth policy solutions that are worth a damn, running on whatever shortcomings you can find in your opponent is all you've got.

When your opponent has that flaw, it seems easier to attack them for that (and THEIR shortcomings) than to sell your own policies. So nobody's campaign is bringing real policy discussion into the public debate.

If Republicans actually came up with some good ideas that would really help people (besides their usual platitudes that are basically trickle down economics and 'government bad'), the Democrats would have to sell theirs better. Try and make theirs better.
 
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republicans have completely given up on even having policy ideas. i think dems are in danger of being dragged down that path with them in a race to the bottom. i always blame social media brain rot and i'm going to do it again, but good policy isn't going to move the needle.

did you know i saw AOC doing a paid spot for a skin care cream?
 
dirtywick said:
republicans have completely given up on even having policy ideas. i think dems are in danger of being dragged down that path with them in a race to the bottom. i always blame social media brain rot and i'm going to do it again, but good policy isn't going to move the needle.

did you know i saw AOC doing a paid spot for a skin care cream?
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Are you sure you aren't thinking of this:

https://twitter.com/amandalitman/status/1089908480243351552/photo/1

I can't find any info at all on her doing a paid spot for a skin care cream.
 
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Going back to the voters. The polling means nothing at this point, but the support Trump still has does show up in the numbers. Biden is now a "has been, go bicycling grandpa." He did his job. Most voters don't really care about one term or two terms. This may in fact be the end of two term presidents. If not now, then 2028 and later.

My take is that due to the dislike of both candidates the polling is reflecting mostly the disinterest of the major center group (largely white people) in the 2024 election. But since they still show up to vote it will come to the last month of the voting season for many of them to make up their minds. This has been the case for 20 years, a large group claiming to be “independent” but really a bit on the conservative side. They actually do not care for government at all, a big part of independents being just enough libertarian. That also explains Trump voters showing up. The first candidate they had that had a libertarian twist.
 
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Tero said:
Going back to the voters. The polling means nothing at this point, but the support Trump still has does show up in the numbers. Biden is now a "has been, go bicycling grandpa." He did his job. Most voters don't really care about one term or two terms. This may in fact be the end of two term presidents. If not now, then 2028 and later.
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While I agree that polling at this point is almost worthless, the rest of your assessment is off base. There is little reason to believe there won't be two term presidents in the future. One term presidents are more the exception. Before Tump, there were three consecutive two term presidents. 4 out of the last 7, 5 out of the last eight. Kennedy was assassinated, LBJ chose not to run again. Then before that the three Presidents preceeding those two served multiple terms.

People look at the candidates running and choose between them. Period. They don’t say "he's had a term, let's replace him." They say they "don't like him, let's replace him." But they also will say "as much as I want to replace him, I don't want to replace him with this other guy."

Tero said:
My take is that due to the dislike of both candidates the polling is reflecting mostly the disinterest of the major center group (largely white people) in the 2024 election. But since they still show up to vote it will come to the last month of the voting season for many of them to make up their minds. This has been the case for 20 years, a large group claiming to be “independent” but really a bit on the conservative side. They actually do not care for government at all, a big part of independents being just enough libertarian. That also explains Trump voters showing up. The first candidate they had that had a libertarian twist.
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I agree mostly with this.
 
dirtywick said:
republicans have completely given up on even having policy ideas. i think dems are in danger of being dragged down that path with them in a race to the bottom. i always blame social media brain rot and i'm going to do it again, but good policy isn't going to move the needle.

did you know i saw AOC doing a paid spot for a skin care cream?
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Oh, they have policy ideas.

#1. End Wokeness.

#2. End abortion rights.

#3. End Gay and Trans rights.

#4. Give Israel everything they want.

#5. Give Ukraine nothing they need.

#6. Expand the use of fossil fuels.

#7. Destroy Iran.

#8. End the flow of asylum seekers.
 
Hercules56 said:
Oh, they have policy ideas.

#1. End Wokeness.

#2. End abortion rights.

#3. End Gay and Trans rights.

#4. Give Israel everything they want.
#5. Give Ukraine nothing they need.

#6. Expand the use of fossil fuels.

#7. Destroy Iran.

#8. End the flow of asylum seekers.
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As far as I can tell, this is not a partisan issue. With the exception of a small minority of Dems, the entire US political class is fully on board with backing the apartheid state.
 
Hercules56 said:
Oh, they have policy ideas.

#1. End Wokeness.

#2. End abortion rights.

#3. End Gay and Trans rights.

#4. Give Israel everything they want.

#5. Give Ukraine nothing they need.

#6. Expand the use of fossil fuels.

#7. Destroy Iran.

#8. End the flow of asylum seekers.
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#9. Politicize and seize the government via measures like Schedule F.

10#. Consolidate power as they further enable and encourage corruption.



Elsewhere, for the fun of it, this cartoon seems sorta appropriate to link to in this thread.

Generation Gaps

I don't really feel like summing it up here, though, given spoiler concerns.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Oh, they have policy ideas.

#1. End Wokeness.

#2. End abortion rights.

#3. End Gay and Trans rights.

#4. Give Israel everything they want.

#5. Give Ukraine nothing they need.

#6. Expand the use of fossil fuels.

#7. Destroy Iran.

#8. End the flow of asylum seekers.
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I still want to know what wokeness means,
 
Hercules56 said:
Progressive social values on steroids, with lots of virtue signaling and cancelling of the unWokers.

;)
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I know you think you answered the question. But it was just as vague as wokeness.

General Bull Crap is still Crap.
 
acbytesla said:
I still want to know what wokeness means,
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To borrow a real answer - Awakened to the needs of others. To be well informed, thoughtful, compassionate, humble, and kind. Eager to make the world a better place for all people.

The attacks on wokeness all do seem to end up being attacks on those values, either way. Alternately, anti-wokeness frequently means "we want to blame those liberals because reality makes us conservatives recoil." Conservatives have a much stronger tendency to engage in self-deception than liberals, either way.

ETA: In a more specifically corporate direction, wokeness complaints tends to end up describe the usually correct corporate realization and understanding that gay people, for example, tend to have more disposable income, travel more, and other such similar factors that makes targeting advertising towards them more specifically profitable. Yet again, those "good ol' fashioned values" are actually being broken by capitalism, in other words, not SJWs.
 
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Aridas said:
To borrow a real answer - Awakened to the needs of others. To be well informed, thoughtful, compassionate, humble, and kind. Eager to make the world a better place for all people.

The attacks on wokeness all do seem to end up being attacks on those values, either way. Alternately, anti-wokeness frequently means "we want to blame those liberals because reality makes us conservatives recoil." Conservatives have a much stronger tendency to engage in self-deception than liberals, either way.
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Yeah. Wokeness does seems to be better defined as aware as opposed to asleep and deliberately ignorant.
 
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