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Trump and Jail

lobosrul5 said:
There is no governor of DC, and the mayor of DC has ******* to do with the federal prison system. And I'm not so sure in NY.
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Then the prison warden would have to come up with a plan to isolate Trump in a specific section of the prison where he and the SS could operate securely.
 
d4m10n said:
Agreed; the only case really build for speed is the federal indictment in D.C. where Jack slimmed the issues down to the bare essentials and left out all the co-conspirators. The Fani Willis case is an amazing behemoth encompassing all the people and all the various actions they took to disenfranchise Georgians; it will take at least a couple years to play out. The Alvin Bragg case is somewhere in between these two.
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The documents case in FL starts in May 2024.
 
Hercules56 said:
They wouldn't roam around, they would simply accompany Trump everywhere he goes. But yes I'm sure the Governor of DC or NY or GA would allow the SS to walk around the prison in order to fulfill their duties.
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Why? The Secret Service is responsible for the protection of any former president, including Trump, but how that exercise of responsibility is carried out isn't specified anywhere I can find, and the Service has no authority to arbitrarily preempt any other lawful requirement.

(Presumably armed) Secret Service agents wouldn't get to wander around the interior of a prison to be Trump's kevlar vest.
 
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Paul2 said:
The documents case in FL starts in May 2024.
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My guess is the documents case probably will not start even by then. Not that the case is overly complicated. But because Cannon is trying to screw it up. My guess is she will cause the case to be removed from her court. But that will take 6 months.
 
Hercules56 said:
Then the prison warden would have to come up with a plan to isolate Trump in a specific section of the prison where he and the SS could operate securely.
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Have to? According to who exactly. Is it a federal regulation that prisoners be allowed to have their SS protection in a federal prison? Thats going to be a decision that goes right up to cabinet level.

ETA: and I mean the above for Trump the private citizen. Being an ex-president comes with the privilege (NOT THE RIGHT) of a SS detail. Trump, were he to become president can just order the warden of a federal pen to set him free.
 
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TurkeysGhost said:
There's an opinion right now in federal court that doctors have standing in an abortion case because they have an aesthetic interest in looking at pregnant women and compares the interest to viewing wildlife.



https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca5.213145/gov.uscourts.ca5.213145.543.1_1.pdf

Right wing judges are real freaks

Edit: To make the relevancy to the discussion more clear, "standing" is foundational legal concept and here's an example of a right wing judge going to an insane reach to grant it to their preferred anti-abortion advocates. There's zero reason to believe that a right wing court will restrain themselves in the interest of upholding good legal theory if they are sufficiently motivated to reach a certain result.
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I thought I'd seen insane before, but I was wrong.

I'm gobsmacked beyond gobsmacking.
 
acbytesla said:
My guess is the documents case probably will not start even by then. Not that the case is overly complicated. But because Cannon is trying to screw it up. My guess is she will cause the case to be removed from her court. But that will take 6 months.
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That's a pretty long con, though. Her recent rulings make it appear like she learned her lesson from when the district court (?) smacked her down.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Have to? According to who exactly. Is it a federal regulation that prisoners be allowed to have their SS protection in a federal prison? Thats going to be a decision that goes right up to cabinet level.

ETA: and I mean the above for Trump the private citizen. Being an ex-president comes with the privilege (NOT THE RIGHT) of a SS detail. Trump, were he to become president can just order the warden of a federal pen to set him free.
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Guards are clearly not sufficient to protect a former President from violence from other inmates. Either Trump would need his SS protection with him or he would be assigned to an isolated section just for him. Or house arrest.
 
Aryan Brotherhood?! He may need a couple of neck tattoos, but that can't take long.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Guards are clearly not sufficient to protect a former President from violence from other inmates. Either Trump would need his SS protection with him or he would be assigned to an isolated section just for him. Or house arrest.
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Sure they are.
 
Paul2 said:
That's a pretty long con, though. Her recent rulings make it appear like she learned her lesson from when the district court (?) smacked her down.
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Doesn't look that way to me. In fact, she has made bizarre ruling after bizarre ruling.
 
Fidelio said:
The closest DT will come to jail is getting his mug shot in Fulton county jail. Prove me wrong.
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Telling us to prove you wrong is rather an empty challenge since he hasn't even been tried yet. But I do remember all the predictions that DT would never be indicted for anything. How did that turn out?
 
acbytesla said:
She's not only corrupt, she is incompetent.
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Incompetent, OK. Corrupt, demonstrably not since she got smacked down the first time. Those notorious centrists on MSNBC generally praised her scheduling decision, for instance, as a balance between what the prosecution wanted and the defense wanted.

I'm happy to move towards corrupt if you can point to decisions since her previous smack-down by the district (appellate?) court. I might be unaware of them.
 
Thermal said:
Trump and jail. Two words that will never have "in" between them, except in the pining sense.

The flimsiest of pretexts will be used to not have him in a cell. Anything. Technicalities. Missing procedural form. Whatever. The optics are too awful to lock up one of our presidents. Those below him on his scummy chain of command, sure. Him, no way. He will walk as a free man till he drops dead in a Floridian McDonald's drive thru.
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This sounds familiar. Reminds me of all those declaring Trump would never be indicted or tried for anything.
 
I've never gotten too hung up on any specific thing.

Trump will never face MEANINGFUL justice. Ever.
 
It's beyond bizarre that we're seriously having these conversations at all. But we live in bizarre times.
 
Stacyhs said:
This sounds familiar. Reminds me of all those declaring Trump would never be indicted or tried for anything.
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I've been 100% confident he would be indicted, and 50% sure it would make it to trial. Just like I was 100% sure that Roe was not bulletproof.

Keep in mind, I think he should have been in cuffs for inciting imminent lawless action on J6. But I don't trade my cynicism for innocent idealism because I Iike the probable outcome. He won't be in a cell. His underlings might do a symbolic stretch or two. The betting window is open.
 
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