Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

[Ziggurat]

This is pure projection.

Your memory is short.

Note also that I'm not trying to make any comparisons here, so there's really no point in trying to tu quoque this. Purely on his own terms, Biden lies on a regular basis. That's just the truth, but evidently the truth is triggering to some people.

 

[Trebuchet]

Nonsense. You really have to stop watching FOX and Friends.

F&F derives its popularity mostly from attractive women sitting on a couch in short skirts. While its male viewers are thus distracted, the lies subliminally sink in.

 

[acbytesla]

Your memory is short.

Note also that I'm not trying to make any comparisons here, so there's really no point in trying to tu quoque this. Purely on his own terms, Biden lies on a regular basis. That's just the truth, but evidently the truth is triggering to some people.

CRAP. Just because right wing media claims Biden is constantly lying doesn't make it true.

Feel free to provide citations. Not just that you have discovered that Biden has occasionally said things that turn out to be false, but that he knowingly says things he knows or should know are false. And does so on a regular basis.

My guess is you won't. Because you can't.

The floor is yours. Prove it.

 

[gnome]

CRAP. Just because right wing media claims Biden is constantly lying doesn't make it true.

Feel free to provide citations. Not just that you have discovered that Biden has occasionally said things that turn out to be false, but that he knowingly says things he knows or should know are false. And does so on a regular basis.

My guess is you won't. Because you can't.

The floor is yours. Prove it.

A useless argument IMO, because there never seems to be an agreed on standard of "constantly" nor an examination of the significance of the statements.

In the context of the election... talking about Biden's falsehoods must naturally be comparative. I don't think any bastions of honesty are running. So if Biden is a "regular liar", who is Ziggurat implying to be better? Or even close, for that matter.

 

[Ziggurat]

CRAP. Just because right wing media claims Biden is constantly lying doesn't make it true.

Doesn't make it false either.

Feel free to provide citations. Not just that you have discovered that Biden has occasionally said things that turn out to be false, but that he knowingly says things he knows or should know are false. And does so on a regular basis.

I gave one notable example already. Almost none of the claims he made in that clip are true. I'm not going to keep digging up more, because no matter how many examples I come up with, you'll deny that it's a pattern, claim it's a one off, or pretend that it was an honest mistake.

 

[Ziggurat]

In the context of the election... talking about Biden's falsehoods must naturally be comparative. I don't think any bastions of honesty are running.

That seems to usually be the case. But the point of comparison was really younger Biden vs. current Biden. His casual relationship with truth isn't new, that's my point, and it's caused problems for him in prior election campaigns. But the stumbling over his own words, that is new. He used to be coherent. He isn't anymore.

 

[acbytesla]

Doesn't make it false either.



I gave ^one notable example already. Almost none of the claims he made in that clip are true. I'm not going to keep digging up more, because no matter how many examples I come up with, you'll deny that it's a pattern, claim it's a one off, or pretend that it was an honest mistake.

ROFLMAO!

One is not "constantly". In comparison, according to the Washington Post Fact Checker, in the 4 years that Trump served as President, Trump lied a whopping 30,573 times.

 

[acbytesla]

Even according to Forbes, not exactly a left wing bastion, Biden is much more honest than Trump or even Obama.

 

[sackett]

Don't listen to them, Zig. The Republicans remain true to the truths they have always uttered. If you switch out Ole Man Biden's name & replace it with FDR, everything you care to say will remain Holy Wright, I mean Writ, from lasting to everlasting.

I grew up among the Grittiest Generation, old-time GOPeers who were there, knew ALL about it, & never forgot none of it.

When lilacs last in the dooryard bloom'd.

 

[Ziggurat]

ROFLMAO!

One is not "constantly". In comparison, according to the Washington Post Fact Checker, in the 4 years that Trump served as President, Trump lied a whopping 30,573 times.

You say that like it's some sort of objective measure. How naive are you? gnome was right on that count.

And again, I'm not comparing Biden to Trump. I'm not claiming Trump is honest, or even less dishonest, because it's not possible to objectively measure that. So you really are just tu quoqueing, as I knew you would.

 

[acbytesla]

You say that like it's some sort of objective measure. How naive are you? gnome was right on that count.

And again, I'm not comparing Biden to Trump. I'm not claiming Trump is honest, or even less dishonest, because it's not possible to objectively measure that. So you really are just tu quoqueing, as I knew you would.

Nonsense, the truth isn’t subjective. You just are repeating right wing talking points when you claim that Biden is constantly lying. And I'm saying flat out that the claim is the lie. That you're predisposed to this hypocrisy. That the only actual standard you have is Democrat bad, Republican good.

 

[Ziggurat]

Don't listen to them, Zig. The Republicans remain true to the truths they have always uttered.

Who said that? Not me. Again, I wasn't comparing Biden to anyone else. That's entirely other people's tu quoque defense.

 

[Ziggurat]

Nonsense, the truth isn’t subjective.

But how you evaluate lies absolutely is. How big a lie something is, how important it is, absolutely does come down to subjective evaluation. Are two minor lies more dishonest than one major lie? Hell, what even counts as a minor lie vs a major lie? There's no objective scale for this. You can pretend there is, but you're only kidding yourself.

'I wasn't involved in Hunter's business dealings.'

Do you still believe that one? Is it a minor lie? A major lie? Does it only count as one lie, or does each instance count?

 

[acbytesla]

But how you evaluate lies absolutely is. How big a lie something is, how important it is, absolutely does come down to subjective evaluation. Are two minor lies more dishonest than one major lie? Hell, what even counts as a minor lie vs a major lie? There's no objective scale for this. You can pretend there is, but you're only kidding yourself.

'I wasn't involved in Hunter's business dealings.'

Do you still believe that one? Is it a minor lie? A major lie? Does it only count as one lie, or does each instance count?

Now you're judging the importance of the lie? That is subjective. Do you really want to go there?

Even according to Forbes, a right wing publication if there ever was one, Biden has told far fewer significant lies than either Trump or Obama.

The narrative you're pushing is false.

 

[Random]

But how you evaluate lies absolutely is. How big a lie something is, how important it is, absolutely does come down to subjective evaluation. Are two minor lies more dishonest than one major lie? Hell, what even counts as a minor lie vs a major lie? There's no objective scale for this. You can pretend there is, but you're only kidding yourself.

'I wasn't involved in Hunter's business dealings.'

Do you still believe that one? Is it a minor lie? A major lie? Does it only count as one lie, or does each instance count?

I believe it.

It's pretty clear to me that Hunter was running a "Rainmaker Scam" using his father's name. Tell people that he can get the ear of the Vice-President for some cash bribes, then pocket the cash without telling his dad. If things go the way the client wants, Hunter takes the credit. If they don't, Hunter makes excuses. Lather, rinse, repeat.

This is why the GOP can find all sorts of secondhand information that Joe Biden was taking bribes (because Hunter was saying he did), but they can't find any evidence of Joe Biden actually getting any bribe money (because Hunter left him out of the loop).

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Bank of America weighs in

The Bank of America, examining consequences of the so-called Inflation Reduction Act (which was really about clean energy and climate), has reported its $360Bn+ in government spending has spurred $132 billion in private investment and the creation of 86000 new jobs.

“The Inflation Reduction Act – I wish I hadn’t called it that, because it has less to do with reducing inflation than it does to do with dealing with providing for alternatives that generate economic growth,” [Biden] told donors, according to a transcript provided by the White House.

 

[acbytesla]

I believe it.

It's pretty clear to me that Hunter was running a "Rainmaker Scam" using his father's name. Tell people that he can get the ear of the Vice-President for some cash bribes, then pocket the cash without telling his dad. If things go the way the client wants, Hunter takes the credit. If they don't, Hunter makes excuses. Lather, rinse, repeat.

This is why the GOP can find all sorts of secondhand information that Joe Biden was taking bribes (because Hunter was saying he did), but they can't find any evidence of Joe Biden actually getting any bribe money (because Hunter left him out of the loop).

Secondhand is pure hearsay. Is it probable that being the VP's son benefitted Hunter? Certainly. Is this surprising? Hardly.

Do you think that Jared Kusher got two billion dollars from the Saudis because of his business acumen?
.

 

[Random]

Secondhand is pure hearsay. Is it probable that being the VP's son benefitted Hunter? Certainly. Is this surprising? Hardly.

Do you think that Jared Kusher got two billion dollars from the Saudis because of his business acumen?
.

I firmly believe that neither Hunter Biden nor Jared Kushner should be President.

 

[Shalamar]

Secondhand is pure hearsay. Is it probable that being the VP's son benefitted Hunter? Certainly. Is this surprising? Hardly.

Do you think that Jared Kusher got two billion dollars from the Saudis because of his business acumen?
.

It's only wrong when a Democrat/liberal/progressive does it.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

... And you need to start watching Biden himself.

I have.

He's not up to the task,

He most definitely is.

and you're delusional if you think he is.

Next on the list if it isn't Fox and/or the alt-right distorting your POV, you might want to get up to speed as to what someone with dementia actually looks and sounds like. Short term memory loss is not it. Avoiding the press sticking their mics in one's face is not it.

What is it you think you've seen that is your evidence?

The GOP of course is running with the talking point that Biden avoiding the press has some significance. And some of the Democrats think Biden should be out there campaigning.

Perhaps the strategy of 'if your opponents are hanging themselves, step back and let them', is a good one at this time. Trump jumped the gun declaring his candidacy in the hopes he can use that as a defense against all those indictments. It hasn't. Of course once he did so it triggered the other GOP POTUS hopefuls to follow suit.

Biden has plenty of time to give campaign speeches. I think the current plan is to show up at groundbreaking ceremonies for the projects funded under the Biden Admin.