Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

[acbytesla]

Left-wing voters aren't missing. They're who the Democrats have depended on all along (while constantly fighting against them & attacking them and then scolding them for not being more supportive of their attackers).

The real missing voters are the "centrist" voters whom the DP has kept chasing for years. That strategy keeps failing because it's chasing people who don't exist, but they're bound to magically appear one of these days years!

You CAN'T win without the middle. Period. End of story.

The real point is what is the middle.

My problem with the far left is when they would rather totally lose than have partial wins.

 

[Stacyhs]

Left-wing voters aren't missing. They're who the Democrats have depended on all along (while constantly fighting against them & attacking them and then scolding them for not being more supportive of their attackers).

The real missing voters are the "centrist" voters whom the DP has kept chasing for years. That strategy keeps failing because it's chasing people who don't exist, but they're bound to magically appear one of these days years!

Hmmmm. There seem to be an awfully lot of those non-existent people. But, let me guess: those who identify as centrist/moderates are really just conservatives hiding in centrist skins, right?

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The way Americans identify themselves ideologically was unchanged in 2021, continuing the close division that has persisted in recent years between those describing themselves as either conservative or moderate, while a smaller share identifies as liberal. On average last year, 37% of Americans described their political views as moderate, 36% as conservative and 25% as liberal.

(https://news.gallup.com/poll/388988/political-ideology-steady-conservatives-moderates-tie.aspx

 

[Delvo]

You CAN'T win without the middle. Period. End of story.

That is simply false. The closest thing to it that's accurate would be that you usually can't win without voters who are in neither party. But being in neither party is a different thing from being between them. There are also other parts of that spectrum to the outside of those, toward the ends of it, and there are also better ways to look at politics without even sticking to that one spectrum at all.

 

[Stacyhs]

That is simply false. The closest thing to it that's accurate would be that you usually can't win without voters who are in neither party. But being in neither party is a different thing from being between them. There are also other parts of that spectrum to the outside of those, toward the ends of it, and there are also better ways to look at politics without even sticking to that one spectrum at all.

I'd say my article disputes that. What have you got to support your opinion besides your opinion?

 

[acbytesla]

That is simply false. The closest thing to it that's accurate would be that you usually can't win without voters who are in neither party. But being in neither party is a different thing from being between them. There are also other parts of that spectrum to the outside of those, toward the ends of it, and there are also better ways to look at politics without even sticking to that one spectrum at all.

I'm not sure what you're saying that is different than my point. A sizable portion of the electorate describe themselves as moderates. Neither Democrats or Republicans. They are the votes that both parties seek.

Now where I might agree with you on is that regardless of how people describe themselves, most are clueless about issues. For all the talk about being moderate they agree with left wing positions.

 

[Venom]

And that's pretty much the plan for leftists like Bernie Sanders and AOC. Don't even mention the L-word. Or the S-word. They know they don't need any flag waving nonsense to get otherwise normal people on their side on a couple of issues at least.

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm not sure what you're saying that is different than my point. A sizable portion of the electorate describe themselves as moderates. Neither Democrats or Republicans. They are the votes that both parties seek.

Now where I might agree with you on is that regardless of how people describe themselves, most are clueless about issues. For all the talk about being moderate they agree with left wing positions.

That's because moderates tend to be socially liberal but center-right fiscally.

 

[dirtywick]

I'm not sure what you're saying that is different than my point. A sizable portion of the electorate describe themselves as moderates. Neither Democrats or Republicans. They are the votes that both parties seek.

Now where I might agree with you on is that regardless of how people describe themselves, most are clueless about issues. For all the talk about being moderate they agree with left wing positions.

yet, they don't campaign as moderates and then pass left wing legislation that will be really popular. in fact, they kind of do the opposite imo

 

[dirtywick]

To address this for the third or so time, many Trump supporters before 2015 were not "far right"...until they were.

A similar thing could very well play out with Bernie as the nominee.

The left-leaning media, especially corporate liberal media isn't playing the same game as rightwing media though. They'll use rightwing talking points to put Bernie down instead of focusing on the good for their guy.

corporate liberal media is a corporation that's acts as any other corporation would act, and their PR is pretty good at what they do

 

[acbytesla]

yet, they don't campaign as moderates and then pass left wing legislation that will be really popular. in fact, they kind of do the opposite imo

Well to be fair, the party has never been a monolith. There has always been conservative coalitions in the party such as the Blue Dogs. Manchin and Sinema are not unique. You'd have to go back to LBJ to find a real liberal President and enough of a Democratic majority to accomplish serious Democratic priorities.

 

[Tero]

Polling is mostly useless. But this article is quite good. They study the same 40 districts and and and because of the deep division in our politics, nothing changes in several election cycles.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/01/poli...-democrats-republicans-fault-lines/index.html

 

[Delvo]

Left-wing voters aren't missing... The real missing voters are the "centrist" voters whom the DP has kept chasing for years.

You CAN'T win without the middle.

That is simply false. The closest thing to it that's accurate would be that you usually can't win without voters who are in neither party. But being in neither party is a different thing from being between them. There are also other parts of that spectrum to the outside of those, toward the ends of it, and there are also better ways to look at politics without even sticking to that one spectrum at all.

I'm not sure what you're saying that is different than my point. A sizable portion of the electorate describe themselves as... Neither Democrats or Republicans.

The difference appears to be a matter of word choice. Calling people who are neither Democrats nor Republicans "the middle" puts those people between the parties. They aren't between them. So it's best not to describe them with words that verbally put them there. (Most people/companies doing surveys persist in getting this wrong, writing surveys in which the only options that exist are within the two parties or between them, even while their own surveys show what's wrong with doing that.)

regardless of how people describe themselves, most are clueless about issues. For all the talk about being moderate...

That word is one of the problems. It gets used & interpreted in at least three different ways:
1. Non-extreme; mild
2. Sensible; rational
3. Between the two parties

So if you answer a survey applying that word to yourself because you think 2 sounds like you (which is how lots of people see themselves), you end up as part of a group of survey respondents whom other people will point to and describe as if you/they were actually 3.

regardless of how people describe themselves, most are clueless about issues. For all the talk about being moderate they agree with left wing positions.

yet, they don't campaign as moderates and then pass left wing legislation that will be really popular. in fact, they kind of do the opposite imo

That's the politicians, not the commoners. And that demonstrates what is really the most important and descriptively correct line along which to place people in politics: not between one party and the other or between right and left, but between the politicians and all the rest of us.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Today's episode of Boomers Gone Wild:

A Utah man was shot and killed during an FBI raid early Wednesday morning, the FBI confirmed to ABC News. The raid was in connection with an investigation into alleged threats against President Joe Biden and others, according to two officials briefed on the case.

One of the officials told ABC News that the investigation began in April and the U.S. Secret Service was notified by the FBI in June. In addition to threatening posts, the official said, the man under investigation suggested online he was making plans to take physical action. The threats had been deemed "credible," the official said.

Death comes swiftly for those that oppose the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Bidenist regime!

Among the posts allegedly made by Robertson was one published on Aug. 6, three days before Biden's scheduled visit, according to the complaint. "I hear Biden is coming to Utah. Digging out my old ghillie suit and cleaning the dust off the M24 sniper rifle," the post said, according to the complaint, which referred to the post as a "willful true threat to kill or cause injury to kill President Biden."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man-killed-fbi-raid-connection-threats-biden-officials/story?id=102138966

Samples of his Facebook profile shows that he was perhaps only a hair more belligerent than is typical for men of a certain age that shouldn't have unrestricted access to the internet.

 

[acbytesla]

The difference appears to be a matter of word choice. Calling people who are neither Democrats nor Republicans "the middle" puts those people between the parties. They aren't between them. So it's best not to describe them with words that verbally put them there. (Most people/companies doing surveys persist in getting this wrong, writing surveys in which the only options that exist are within the two parties or between them, even while their own surveys show what's wrong with doing that.)

That word is one of the problems. It gets used & interpreted in at least three different ways:
1. Non-extreme; mild
2. Sensible; rational
3. Between the two parties

So if you answer a survey applying that word to yourself because you think 2 sounds like you (which is how lots of people see themselves), you end up as part of a group of survey respondents whom other people will point to and describe as if you/they were actually 3.

That's the politicians, not the commoners. And that demonstrates what is really the most important and descriptively correct line along which to place people in politics: not between one party and the other or between right and left, but between the politicians and all the rest of us.

I still don't understand what you're talking about.

I've said many many times that I abhor labels. Conservative, liberal, moderate, extremist, reactionary. The labels are all bs. Like Thomas Jefferson I wish there weren't political parties.

I do my best to take my own positions on issues not the Democratic Party's even though I vote mostly for Democratic candidates. That said, I've strongly disagreed with the Democratic party's positions on some issues. My positions on nuclear power and aspects of private property are much more associated with the GOP.

When I say the middle, I'm talking about the safe road and not scaring people with change.

 

[kookbreaker]

Today's episode of Boomers Gone Wild:



Death comes swiftly for those that oppose the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Bidenist regime!



https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man-killed-fbi-raid-connection-threats-biden-officials/story?id=102138966

Samples of his Facebook profile shows that he was perhaps only a hair more belligerent than is typical for men of a certain age that shouldn't have unrestricted access to the internet.

I dunno, bragging about torturing and killing cats seems a line harder to cross.

 

[dudalb]

And the making of this Idiot in Utah into a hero by Trump and right begins..in 3..2..1...

 

[Stacyhs]

Today's episode of Boomers Gone Wild:

Death comes swiftly for those that oppose the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Bidenist regime!



https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man-killed-fbi-raid-connection-threats-biden-officials/story?id=102138966

Samples of his Facebook profile shows that he was perhaps only a hair more belligerent than is typical for men of a certain age that shouldn't have unrestricted access to the internet.

Your negative "Boomers" fixation is showing again. This guy lived in Provo, one of the most conservative places in Utah, was a gun nut, and a self-declared "MAGA Trumper" and you title your comment "Boomers gone wild?" What does his being a "boomer" have to do with anything other than to promote your own "Boomers Be Bad" obsession?

In another post, Robertson refers to himself as a “MAGA Trumper,” a reference to former President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan.

The posts indicated he did appear to own a long-range sniper rifle and numerous other weapons, as well as camouflage gear known as a “ghillie suit,” investigators said in court records. Robertson was charged under seal Tuesday with three felony counts, including making threats against the president, court documents show.

Robertson also referenced a “presidential assassination” and made a long list of other online threats, including against top law enforcement officials overseeing court cases against Trump: Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland and New York Attorney General Letitia James.

“The time is right for a presidential assassination or two. First Joe then Kamala!!!” authorities say Robertson wrote in a September 2022 Facebook post included in the filings. No attorney was immediately listed for Robertson in court documents.

 

[dudalb]

Now I know why the FBI came a calling at this guys home. He had a long history of death threats on line.
The POTUS probably gets dozens of death threats a day; no way for the FBI and Secret Service to check them all out. They look for certain red flags to indicate there is more then just hot air or some 16 year old trying to be as shocking as possible involved; and this guy was waving the red flags.

 

[Venom]

OAN reporting the story like it's some Biden Crime Family hitjob

*FACEPALM*

...and yet so predictable

 

[Mike!]

"I told you they were coming for you!"