Christianity is a grotesque blight!

[theprestige]

On the other hand, and it doesn't really outweigh all the bad stuff, the churches were indirectly responsible for some pretty good art - anyone who bad-mouths the music of of JSB or Hildegard von Bingen will answer to me.

L**m*s will now have a joygasm because some atheist defended a tiny part of what the churches are responsible for.

Oh, and without Christmas I'd have no excuse for over-indulging buying stuff for my family and friends...

All I know about Hildegard von Bingen is that she causes religious buildings to output science equal to their faith output. /civ6

Other than that, it seems the Catholic Church in Europe preserved a lot of knowledge and culture, did a lot of science, and brewed some really good beer.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Jesus christ this is absurd.

Leumas, do you think that I am a Christian, yes or no?

Leumas, do you think disagreeing with how you communicate makes someone a defender of Christianity even if that person never once supports Christianity in their posts, yes or no?

Leumas, if I stated that the GOP attempt to purge those not "loyal" enough to Donald Trump from their ranks was similar to Stalin's great purge do you think that is me calling the GOP Communists and/or Stalinists, yes or no?

Stop attempting to throw word salad garbage and actually answer questions for once. They are yes/no questions. Anything other than a yes or no in response will be taken as a refusal to answer the question and the question will be repeated.

 

[Thermal]

Jesus christ this is absurd.
Leumas, do you think that I am a Christian, yes or no?

Leumas, do you think disagreeing with how you communicate makes someone a defender of Christianity even if that person never once supports Christianity in their posts, yes or no?

Leumas, if I stated that the GOP attempt to purge those not "loyal" enough to Donald Trump from their ranks was similar to Stalin's great purge do you think that is me calling the GOP Communists and/or Stalinists, yes or no?

Stop attempting to throw word salad garbage and actually answer questions for once. They are yes/no questions. Anything other than a yes or no in response will be taken as a refusal to answer the question and the question will be repeated.

He prefers Leumas. Don't test his patience.

 

[RoboTimbo]

I quite like Christianity. I think it's nice.

 

[theprestige]

Honestly I don't see a lot of practical difference between one statist totalitarian dictatorship and another. But as far as I can tell, Jesus was for neither. He was more of a crypto-anarcho-libertarian. Like, do what you gotta do to get along with the state, 'cause getting right with god is something you can do anywhere, anytime.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

How about "Why everyone else is a secret Christian even when they claim not to be Q.E.D."?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Here is an example... Taliban Deprive Women of Livelihoods, Identity

When someone observes that you just obsessively focus on the worst aspects of a religion, responding with something like the above just proves the point.

Yes, groups like the Taliban absolutely ******* suck. But that's not all of Islam - it's not all Muslims, by any means. It's not even most of them. I personally know Muslims whose daughters are university educated, and have professional jobs.

 

[Foster Zygote]

How about "Why everyone else is a secret Christian even when they claim not to be Q.E.D."?

That's just what a Methodist would say!

 

[RoboTimbo]

My French teacher from high school is now a pastor at a church not 1/4 mile from my house. She came by and invited me to join. I see on FB that her church supports LGBTQ rights and often has events for it.

I'd be interested in hearing about her Jesus. Should I join?

 

[Tassman]

When someone observes that you just obsessively focus on the worst aspects of a religion, responding with something like the above just proves the point.

Yes, groups like the Taliban absolutely ******* suck. But that's not all of Islam - it's not all Muslims, by any means. It's not even most of them. I personally know Muslims whose daughters are university educated, and have professional jobs.

ALL ideological systems, whether religious or political, are liable to 'punish' those that don't accept their values.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

No you are the one who does not get that your statement is not true. (and this)

Bare links to YouTube and Wikipedia are not arguments.

But you knew that. If you had a real argument you would present it.

But Christianity's yesterday's atrocious acts and today's heinous machinations are fine with you of course...

Putting words into my mouth - more dishonest debating.

You do not worry about wealthy Christian corporations machinating to make the world a theocracy for Jesus and also to precipitate Jesus coming back to wring the blood out of most people into knee-deep lakes?

Life's too short to worry about things that have minimal effect.

Edited by Agatha: 

Removed off-topic material

 

[Leumas]

Bare links to YouTube and Wikipedia are not arguments.

But you knew that. If you had a real argument you would present it.

The real argument is that you are not willing to look at reality to see how your bare assertions are belied by the FACTS of reality.

You just don't get it do you?

The video is of the coronation of Charles III king of England being made head of the church of England by foppish Anglican buffoons (i.e. bishops) and babbling nonsense about how the head foppish buffoon needs to

Stand firm and hold fast from henceforth this seat of royal dignity, which is yours by the authority of almighty god.

And the second link is about the House Of Lords which has 25 Church of England Foppish Clowns as members... and up until 1999 all the other members inherited their seats.

So your statement

...a principle that was abandoned 300 years ago, and pretending it still exists today.

is belied by the FACTS of reality... and thus

...That's either willfully blind or dishonest.

And the

... more dishonest debating.

is to say I am

Putting words into my mouth

When your words said the words you think I am putting in your mouth... as evinced in the post you are responding to with

... more dishonest debating.

And as for this

Life's too short to worry about things that have minimal effect.

But it is not too short to post fallacious posts after posts after posts in defense of Christianity and falsely claiming I am like Stalin for writing FACTS about Christianity's sordidness and absurdity and perfidy... huh?

 

[Leumas]

...
Leumas, do you think disagreeing with how you communicate....

MarkCorrigan... what you describe is called an ad hominem.

Using fallacies to obfuscate an argument is yet another fallacy.

Using fallacies on top of fallacies on top of calumny and slander to defend Christianity bespeaks oodles .

 

[Steve]

Leumas,
What effect do you think your myriad repetitive posts, and threads, are having on the members of this forum?
Is the effect that you observe what you were looking for when you started your anti-christian rant threads?
Is there a particular thread of yours that you can point to that comes closest to having the effect you desired?
Have you changed even one posters views on Christianity?
TIA

 

[Thermal]

MarkCorrigan... what you describe is called an ad hominem.

It is not, and you continue to demonstrate woeful ignorance of the informal logical fallacies.

Criticizing your tortured grammar is unrelated to your argument itself, and a fallacy requires that you say the argument is false because of (fallacious reason).

MC is not saying your argument is wrong because you have abysmal grammar. He said your argument is wrong and you have abysmal grammar.

Using fallacies to obfuscate an argument is yet another fallacy.

Using fallacies on top of fallacies on top of calumny and slander to defend Christianity bespeaks oodles .

MC employed no fallacies, nor have other posters here. You really need to bone up on the fallacies and when they are applicable before trying to ascertain their employ.

 

[Leumas]

When someone observes that you just obsessively focus on the worst aspects of a religion, responding with something like the above just proves the point.

Yes it proves the point of fallacious apologetics for the religion.

Religion is not like a box of apples where one rotten apple does not mean throwing the whole box away.

Religion is supposed to be from a divine source with a divine overseer... if the divine overseer allows mold to permeate through his loaf then he is neither divine nor an intelligent overseer.

Maybe it is not quite fair to never eat again in any certain restaurant franchise ever again because I saw one cockroach crawling over the table I was sitting at poised to eat my food.

But my revulsion at that sight was visceral and innate... and just the sign of the franchise evokes that revulsion all over again.

However... Christianity and Islam et al are not a FRANCHISE... or are they?

If the god of the "franchise" is not able to avoid or even clean off the cockroaches in its branches then it is not a god.

And if one continues to go "eat" at the "franchise" of a pathetic non-god who cannot evade cockroaches crawling all over the "food"... then one is a pathetic wretched fool.

Yes, groups like the Taliban absolutely ******* suck. But that's not all of Islam - it's not all Muslims, by any means. It's not even most of them. I personally know Muslims whose daughters are university educated, and have professional jobs.

Yup... fallacious apologetics for Islam now too... ah well!!!

The countless victims of Islam and Christianity and Mormonism and Judaism etc. today and throughout the ages would vehemently disagree with your apologetics.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Yup... fallacious apologetics for Islam now too... ah well!!!.

What was the fallacy?

 

[sphenisc]

....

Religion is supposed to be from a divine source with a divine overseer... if the divine overseer allows mold to permeate through his loaf then he is neither divine nor an intelligent overseer.

But God's not a bread-maker, He's not called "Breads". The reason He allows molds is because His name's Cheeses.

 

[jsfisher]

...
Religion is supposed to be from a divine source with a divine overseer... if the divine overseer allows mold to permeate through his loaf then he is neither divine nor an intelligent overseer.

All very interesting, but entirely meaningless since neither the divine source nor divine overseer exist. It makes no sense for you to expend so much vitriol against an imaginary beast. On the other hand, if you believe they do exist, then you are giving credit to and accepting the basis for Christianity.

Which is it?

There is still a lot you grotesque blightitude of which you may accuse Christianity without assuming any reality for its non-existing god.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

MarkCorrigan... what you describe is called an ad hominem.

Using fallacies to obfuscate an argument is yet another fallacy.

Using fallacies on top of fallacies on top of calumny and slander to defend Christianity bespeaks oodles .

No it isn't. Ad hominem is when I say "you're wrong because you're ugly" or similar.

What I have said is that you communicate poorly. I didn't even pass judgement on whether you were right or wrong, my point was only that you communicate really, really poorly.

Now why did you refuse to answer the questions? Come on, they are 3 yes or no questions. Stop throwing a tantrum and accusing me of being mean and answer them with a yes or no.